11/02/2018 02:23 AMPosted by
Johaìs
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/cracks knuckles and dons her arm chair scholar cap
Lucifer is a title. It refers to the symbollic owner of the planet Venus, the morning star. Lightbringer is referring to its rising in the morning - first Venus, then the Sun.
However, in the biblical sense, as it applies to the serpent (dna), it's referring to knowledge. Unfortunately, most don't recognize that just a few verses later, it''s revealed that, at the time, to know, to have knowledge, meant to have sex. So the serpent in the Tree of Knowledge was a reference to procreative (reproductive dna) sex genes, not the planet Venus at all. Trees, when featured, are always a reference to generations of dna bearing life forms.
The original Adam (a plural word for the name of a race of males and females) were cloned in the image of the elohim (a bunch of gods) by a creator god (think of him like a geneticist). He did this because the planet was recovering from a cataclysm and there weren't enough workers to rebuild it. So he cloned the elohim and made the first non-procreative but fully regenerative, Adamic race. They couldn't have babies but they had unlimited life spans from full body regeneration. The population was tightly controlled.
It just so happened at the time, the owner god of the planet, who was not the same god as the creator god of the Adam, overworked the clones causing them to eventually stage the first strike in written history. The owner contacted the creator and asked that he solve it by making him new clones.
The creator was busy elsewhere but agreed to make him new clone workers. however, he didn't just make new workers, he gave them the knowledge of sex (et.al, he gave them the ability to know, to make copies of themselves, to procreate, reproduce, to "know" good and evil), so he wouldn't have to keep coming back to make new clones.
The owner of the place was furious with this solution. He didn't want sentient beings procreating without his oversight. This was why they originally were simply non-reproductive clones with full auto-repair dna.
the creator and the owner were not the best of friends, so essentially the creator god trolled the owner god, big time. Sadly, because the owner didn't like the new reproductive Adam, he went before the divine council and demanded that they force the creator to at least make the new Adam have a limited life span or the reproductive Adam would overpopulate the universe. and he had standing because the creator had interferred in the smooth functioning of the owner's planet.
The creator was told to fix what he screwed up and so the reproductive Adamic race's Tree of Life (full body regeneration) dna was nerfed. Both of these events involved the serpent (dna), one in the Tree of Knowledge (dna pertaining to procreation) and the other in the Tree of Life (dna pertaining to regeneration).
Satan is not the same serpent as the serpent in the garden and is therefore, not the reference to Lightbringer. Light as in learning is a reference about gaining info not about gaining babies and therefore is not related. It's a common misunderstanding.
I'm a bit mixed up on my side-branches of christianity: is this the Pre-adam civilization theory, or is it Gnosticism?
the result of personal study. jesus refers to himself as the serpent on a staff that moses raised to bring healing to the people in the desert. hes not saying he's satan. the serpent had more than one meaning. hes not saying hes a seraph/seraphim either (cause in those passages the people were being attacked by poisonous fiery serpents called seraph in the hebrew). he is indicating that medically, he's the healer, the creator, the serpent in the tree, to bring healing to the people. the defense attorney for
h o m o sapiens sapiens, in the divine council
whats a sign of medicine in the ancient world? the rod of asclepius and caduceus (serpent in a tree) (a single or double strand of dna)
(too much info in my brain)
They are both lightbringers
anduin has never once been called "the lightbringer"
now uther on the other hand...
11/01/2018 06:53 PMPosted by
Ðianyx
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it depends on where you are pulling your lore from. In some regions Satan and Lucifer are two different entities. One an angel the other a demon. While in others they are the same thing, but different names.
In Christianity and Judaism he is the same person. If some region exists where they are 2 different persons then it's a very minor branch.
Yes, minor branches like the Catholic church :)
Anduin is Lucifer
That means Sylvanas works for him.
She's all 4 horsemen rolled into one
War (she started one)
Pestilence (forsaken. nuf said)
Famine and Death (war and pestilence always brings these)
11/02/2018 01:35 AMPosted by
Maxine
And... I'm not sure what this "spreading diseases" thing is about; sounds like you're read an inaccurate book written by people who are against Enki.
no i'm not saying the spreading of the diseases was the fault of enki. it was just the unfortunate result of the nephilim event. the watchers (sons of god who descended to earth at mount hermon) had basically went about making babies with humans, the offspring of which were polluting the genome of the planet. animals, people, plants.
if ya think about it like an ufo story, this would be similar to ufo lands at mount hermon, take genetic tissue from female humans, making a race of "nephilim", who then proceed to mess up the genome. it says they sinned against the animals too. may be first recorded recombinant dna
like, didya know scorpion dna is spliced into modern day tomatoes to act as a bug repellant? no wonder so many people are allergic to tomatoes
11/02/2018 01:35 AMPosted by
Maxine
And... I'm not sure what this "spreading diseases" thing is about; sounds like you're read an inaccurate book written by people who are against Enki.
no i'm not saying the spreading of the diseases was the fault of enki. it was just the unfortunate result of the nephilim event. the watchers (sons of god who descended to earth at mount hermon) had basically went about making babies with humans, the offspring of which were polluting the genome of the planet. animals, people, plants.
if ya think about it like an ufo story, this would be similar to ufo lands at mount hermon, take genetic tissue from female humans, making a race of "nephilim", who then proceed to mess up the genome. it says they sinned against the animals too. may be first recorded recombinant dna
like, didya know scorpion dna is spliced into modern day tomatoes to act as a bug repellant? no wonder so many people are allergic to tomatoes
Sounds like history is repeating itself, what with that GMO foodstuffs and all.
Sounds like history is repeating itself, what with that GMO foodstuffs and all.
yeah and all the ufo abduction accounts.
Sounds like history is repeating itself, what with that GMO foodstuffs and all.
yeah and all the ufo abduction accounts.
There's a series of books called Missing 411. They're about all the disappearances across the globe.
Also, all the decades of animal and human mutilations is worth noting as well.
theoretically, enlil, et.al, the god of this world ( a description of satan), was the one who arranged for the watchers to descend to mount hermon. he was trying to establish a legal grounds in the divine council, for wiping out enki's h o m o sapiens sapiens. but he didn't want his name on the nephilim event itself. so he convinced the 200 watchers, who had hithertofore been assigned the task of monitoring the planet and its lifeforms, to do the deed.
enki and enlil were constantly trying to get the upper hand on each other. since enlil was apparently still furious at enki's reproductive Adam, he was looking for any legal grounds (in the divine council sense) to eradicate them entirely.
While it sounds more plausible than the story of the garden of eden in the bible, I still don't know.
I do believe in God but I also know that those who seem to have more abilities/power than we do can be seen as gods.
Ty for your posts. I hadn't really thought of it like that. I really hadn't thought much on it at all, tbh.
It's a story that's annoyed me since I was a kid and they tried to ram their beliefs down my throat, all while never realizing how dumb it all sounded.
I gotta go now but I hope they don't get rid of this thread. Have a g'night.
11/02/2018 04:36 AMPosted by
Poynty
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In Christianity and Judaism he is the same person. If some region exists where they are 2 different persons then it's a very minor branch.
Yes, minor branches like the Catholic church :)
Lucifer/Satan is the same thing. He used to be angel but started beefing with God because God favored humans over angels. Lucifer ran away from home, changed his name to Satan, recruited some dude bros and made Hell. So now he spends time tricking human into going to hell so him and his dude bros can bully them.
The story of Satan as told by Tiresias. Next up the story of Adam, Eve, and Adam's first wife Lilith: Sexual Positions can ruin a coupling.
i feel like i just told everybody that darth vader is their father. not exactly. :D
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Adam's first wife Lilith: Sexual Positions can ruin a coupling.
LIL-ith, the first recorded feminist, and from the sounds of it, similar in story to Inana
11/02/2018 04:36 AMPosted by
Poynty
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Yes, minor branches like the Catholic church :)
Lucifer/Satan is the same thing. He used to be angel but started beefing with God because God favored humans over angels. Lucifer ran away from home, changed his name to Satan, recruited some dude bros and made Hell. So now he spends time tricking human into going to hell so him and his dude bros can bully them.
The story of Satan as told by Tiresias. Next up the story of Adam, Eve, and Adam's first wife Lilith: Sexual Positions can ruin a coupling.
Again, not according to the Catholic church and indeed the bible. In fact here is a tasty quote from revelations:
“I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright
morning star” (Rev. 22:16).
So here is Jesus symbolically linking himself with Lucifer. Does buddy Jesus seem to be the kind of chap who hangs round with the modern concept of the devil?
Has Lucifier become synonymous with the concept of Satan/Devil in recent history, yes it has.
Now you can argue that the concept of Satan exists external to Abrahamic religion and I might agree but the post I was responding to claimed only minor branches of religion consider Lucifer and Satan as separate entities. I was simply pointing out the Catholic church does and it is not a minor branch.
It all seems to go back to Astro-theology. Lucifer - The Morning Star is Venus, Satan - seems to me to be derived from concepts of mythological Saturn - The father of time, our binding to this material plane. Isn't Satan meant to be the ruler of the material plane?
I do appreciate the style of your post!
11/02/2018 06:18 AMPosted by
Poynty
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Lucifer/Satan is the same thing. He used to be angel but started beefing with God because God favored humans over angels. Lucifer ran away from home, changed his name to Satan, recruited some dude bros and made Hell. So now he spends time tricking human into going to hell so him and his dude bros can bully them.
The story of Satan as told by Tiresias. Next up the story of Adam, Eve, and Adam's first wife Lilith: Sexual Positions can ruin a coupling.
Again, not according to the Catholic church and indeed the bible. In fact here is a tasty quote from revelations:
“I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star” (Rev. 22:16).
So here is Jesus symbolically linking himself with Lucifer. Does buddy Jesus seem to be the kind of chap who hangs round with the modern concept of the devil?
Has Lucifier become synonymous with the concept of Satan/Devil in recent history, yes it has.
Now you can argue that the concept of Satan exists external to Abrahamic religion and I might agree but the post I was responding to claimed only minor branches of religion consider Lucifer and Satan as separate entities. I was simply pointing out the Catholic church does and it is not a minor branch.
It all seems to go back to Astro-theology. Lucifer - The Morning Star is Venus, Satan - seems to me to be derived from concepts of mythological Saturn - The father of time, our binding to this material plane. Isn't Satan meant to be the ruler of the material plane?
I do appreciate the style of your post!
Lucifer was like a royal title for whoever happens to hold the ownership of the planet Venus. it passes to Jesus at the conclusion of the crucifixion. Now if the Enki/Enlil story is accurate enough to use as a basis, and if my interpretation is accurate, that may mean that it was owned by Enlil prior to the crucifixion and Enki (enki being Jesus in this event) got it when he sealed the deal once and for all by meeting Enlil's legal proposition, that if the procreative Adam were that awesome, that important, then Enki wouldnt mind becoming one (knowing full well he was asking Enki to basically leave himself at Enlil's mercy ).
I think they made a gentlemen's bet with each other and Enki won.
So its time for some shadow reaper Anduin.
Perhaps we should also ship him with the lich queen to make GD explode.
11/02/2018 06:18 AMPosted by
Poynty
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Again, not according to the Catholic church and indeed the bible. In fact here is a tasty quote from revelations:
“I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star” (Rev. 22:16).
So here is Jesus symbolically linking himself with Lucifer. Does buddy Jesus seem to be the kind of chap who hangs round with the modern concept of the devil?
Has Lucifier become synonymous with the concept of Satan/Devil in recent history, yes it has.
Now you can argue that the concept of Satan exists external to Abrahamic religion and I might agree but the post I was responding to claimed only minor branches of religion consider Lucifer and Satan as separate entities. I was simply pointing out the Catholic church does and it is not a minor branch.
It all seems to go back to Astro-theology. Lucifer - The Morning Star is Venus, Satan - seems to me to be derived from concepts of mythological Saturn - The father of time, our binding to this material plane. Isn't Satan meant to be the ruler of the material plane?
I do appreciate the style of your post!
Lucifer was like a royal title for whoever happens to hold the ownership of the planet Venus. it passes to Jesus at the conclusion of the crucifixion. Now if the Enki/Enlil story is accurate enough to use as a basis, and if my interpretation is accurate, that may mean that it was owned by Enlil prior to the crucifixion and Enki (enki being Jesus in this event) got it when he sealed the deal once and for all by meeting Enlil's legal proposition, that if the procreative Adam were that awesome, that important, then Enki wouldnt mind becoming one (knowing full well he was asking Enki to basically leave himself at Enlil's mercy ).
I think they made a gentlemen's bet with each other and Enki won.
Out of interest, how do you rate the Sitchin body of work? Accurate or hopelessly mistranslated as academia claims?
I believe that alternate version of Draenor gives you all that you need to know about the light: It's merely the void's counterpart... And just as destructive.
The wind chimes want to purge anything they consider impure. They do not want you to have a choice. Very similar to the story of Lucifer. Lucifer wanted to force man to accept God, would have purged them if they failed to bend a knee. That flew in the face of the plan so he was cast out and began a perverted vision of his original intent.
Wind chimes are definitely following that inspiration, look at what they tried to do to Illi boy... If Anduin is their representative to man... well...
On topic, if you consider the scourge to represent communism, then the Lich King would now be Mr P. From the pre-expansion book we can see that Sylvanus is Mrs H.C., which now explains why in the comic her sisters had masculine faces. If you follow this crazy theory further then it appears Anduin is cast as none other than Pres and just like in our world, in the book there was a meeting between the Forsaken and their human relatives (NK and SK).
You can also work backwards from the notion that the scourge is communism but that might be to hot for the forums,
11/02/2018 06:45 AMPosted by
Poynty
Out of interest, how do you rate the Sitchin body of work? Accurate or hopelessly mistranslated as academia claims?
i love his info but i do find the occassional problem. for example: he let people believe that
the lost book of enki, that he dreamed up based on his interpretations, was an original ancient text, written by enki himself or the ancient scribes who personally knew enki. even though its stated on the back cover / or somewhere on the inside like the preface (i dont recall exactly), that it was a fictional account, he didn't correct people when they began using its contents as if they were original data.
there's several examples regarding his account of nibiru also. the sacred city of enlil in ancient sumer, in the text of the time, was called nibru. he kinda steps over that to suggest nibiru was its own planet. it may have been, not saying it absolutely wasnt also its own planet (i mean enlil may have named the city after the planet). just that it's not indicated to be the case in the text of the time. my conclusion was that it meant something like -- when a heavenly body passes over head (at zenith) of the city of nibru, its said to be nibiru.
he also uses a cylinder seal of what he calls the sun and our solar system, as evidence of nibiru and the advanced state of sumerian astronomy. however, another scholar pointed out that the scribes of the time didn't depict the sun in that way (wrong symbol. they used a different symbol for a star vs. the sun even though we know the sun is a star, the scribes differentiated their symbols), and that it was in fact, focusing on a particular star in a specific constellation (the author suggests it may be depicting the pleaides with one star in particular being showcased)
but considering the earth chronicles written by sitchin are several books long, the amount of things to nitpick is not terribly bad. where it causes issues is that he builds hypotheses on errors and then carries them forward. if you read his stuff you always need to fact check him and his critics.