in places like Blackrock Mountain when a dozen raid groups show up flagged and an all out brawl starts
Nice. Rip to WPVP
Nice. Rip to WPVP
11/08/2018 01:04 PMPosted by Summerayné11/07/2018 11:01 PMPosted by MogarHow can anyone think this is good for the game?
This is what I canât understand either. After seeing the videos of what sharding does, how could anyone be ok with it?
I understand some donât want the possibility of servers crashing and some other things I have saw people say on here. But it seems to me a lot of people just donât want to be bothered with a lot of people, having to wait for respawns or worse yet (gasp!), how dare people need to group up in an mmo to help each other out to get quest objectives done. It seems many that is for sharding would just prefer to quickly get things done as fast as possible but not be bothered with the mmo part of an mmorpg.
How anyone could watch these videos after clearly seeing how it ruins social interactions in a time of WoW where it was key is beyond me.
Maybe they don't socialize ? Too used to easy mobs and group tools where you only need to click a button and not talk to anyone.
11/08/2018 04:20 AMPosted by RistraWhat about sharding being set to 1000 players per shard? Would you ever see it? What about 500 or 250?
I wanted to pick up on this, because I've come to realize one of my biggest problems with sharding is the lack of transparency.
How many people does Blizzard allow on a single shard before breaking people off onto new shards? Have they ever actually admitted to a number anywhere?
Blizzard won't tell us how many players are actually logged in, or how many accounts have characters on a realm and log in by some definition of regularly.
Blizzard doesn't actually tell us we've been sharded. We find out in the worst ways by the negative repercussions. (I've mentioned in another thread that Guild Wars did something vaguely similar to split up cities when events would bring massive numbers of players - but when you went to enter the city, it showed you all the "shards", which were currently locked to entry, and let you pick one to enter. If you wanted to be in the same version of the city with a friend, you both picked the same number.)
If there are enough people still playing in the demo, it might be interesting to try to find out how many are on a full shard. Using /who with breakdowns for class
and level could get around the limit of 50 (much like the census mods have done). Or am I missing something and they list people in /who that are on other shards?
11/07/2018 11:27 PMPosted by EilethaluaAs I mentioned in another thread, there's a variety of places where Blizzard is likely to suddenly decide sharding is needed:
- AQ event in Silithus
- at any time in the primary capital cities (Org and IF)
- in places like Blackrock Mountain when a dozen raid groups show up flagged and an all out brawl starts
- TM/SS, Crossroads, Sentinel Hill, any capital city raid
- any player created event, whether a dueling tournament or a running of the gnomes/bulls/zombies
I won't play if they do that. Point blank. Would not be even close to an authentic experience if they did.
I want to log in, see 500 people in the starting area and say "holy shxt there are a lot of people playing this server, awesome!" and spend the first week battling the flood to get to level 10.
That will be a launch to remember not some phased 50 people each zone crap.
That will be a launch to remember not some phased 50 people each zone crap.
No sharding. No dynamic spawns. No fixes for non-existent problems. (not being able to log in, lagginess due to server load.... these were not problems for Vanilla; it thrived in spite of the fact that these things were, by technical definition, problems)
11/08/2018 12:40 AMPosted by HatchmarkItâs insane that you people still think sharding is going to last forever...
Mindless sheep following a mob mentality with no ounce of ability to think.
HATE SHARDING!!
Why?
JUST HATE IT!!
Okay!
This is 99% of the forum right now and blizzard knows it.
How many times does it have to be said that we were promised the same thing in live and now the whole game is sharded? It is now a permanent addition after being told it would not be in new content.
Itâs not sheep following a mob mentality. Itâs people like me who has played this game for many years and has saw the promise we are being promised now get broken. I was there when it was introduced in the game. I was there when they promised it was only temporary for the Legion launch. I was there when they went back on their word and kept it in the whole game never to be removed.
Why do we hate it? Watch the videos for crying out loud. Why are we concerned it wonât be temporary? Because we have saw this promise already be broken for live WoW. Itâs not rocket science why people are concerned and we have every right to be.
11/08/2018 01:18 PMPosted by SummeraynĂ©11/08/2018 12:40 AMPosted by HatchmarkItâs insane that you people still think sharding is going to last forever...
Mindless sheep following a mob mentality with no ounce of ability to think.
HATE SHARDING!!
Why?
JUST HATE IT!!
Okay!
This is 99% of the forum right now and blizzard knows it.
How many times does it have to be said that we were promised the same thing in live and now the whole game is sharded? It is now a permanent addition after being told it would not be in new content.
Itâs not sheep following a mob mentality. Itâs people like me who has played this game for many years and has saw the promise we are being promised now get broken. I was there when it was introduced in the game. I was there when they promised it was only temporary for the Legion launch. I was there when they went back on their word and kept it in the whole game never to be removed.
Why do we hate it? Watch the videos for crying out loud. Why are we concerned it wonât be temporary? Because we have saw this promise already be broken for live WoW. Itâs not rocket science why people are concerned and we have every right to be.
Then don't play the game if you think they are going to ruin it. It isn't rocket science. If you actually think they are going to go back on their word, then just don't play it.
11/08/2018 12:43 PMPosted by TarythiaIt is the best solution to the (obvious to anyone that can think critically) problem of starting area overcrowding
Anything that does what is shown in the video is not the best solution for classic. Period.
Literally anything else would be preferable.
Sharding will be extremely detrimental to gameplay. Even in the starting zones - I've made friends and seen names pop up during leveling that I remember fighting with for boars in Durotar. Community is pivotal to what the Classic community is seeking, and it starts at level 1.
11/08/2018 04:20 AMPosted by RistraSo I take it that people think what was illustrated by the demo is impossible to improve?
What about sharding being set to 1000 players per shard? Would you ever see it? What about 500 or 250?
Generically claiming sharding is bad is defeatism. (The system will fail no matter what simply because you want it to fail)
If they sharded the entire zone as opposed to slivers here and there you wouldn't see the morphing of objects and players while in that zone.
I'm sure you've see that happen..see a node in the distance and as you get close to it then it just disappears. Back up some and it appears again.
Yet there is idiots asking for it, go play BFA stop trying to destroy Classic.
At the end of the day it comes down to this: you have two options to take that will both result in pretty !@#$ty outcomes.
Either you shard the starting zones so that everyone can play when the servers open but you have some kind of horrific experience like is shown in the OP video.
OR
You implement server queues, some people have to wait in queue for midnight server opening, first couple of days are a royal cluster**** in the lowbie zones for better or worse.
Both of these options honestly suck. They suck bad. They suck in different ways but the amount of suck is equal between them.
But! One of these sucky options is exactly what happened in Vanilla and one of these sucky options is decidedly what didn't happen in Vanilla. If you're trying to make something as Vanilla-like as possible then in a situation like this I don't see how you couldn't pick the Vanilla-like sucky option.
Either you shard the starting zones so that everyone can play when the servers open but you have some kind of horrific experience like is shown in the OP video.
OR
You implement server queues, some people have to wait in queue for midnight server opening, first couple of days are a royal cluster**** in the lowbie zones for better or worse.
Both of these options honestly suck. They suck bad. They suck in different ways but the amount of suck is equal between them.
But! One of these sucky options is exactly what happened in Vanilla and one of these sucky options is decidedly what didn't happen in Vanilla. If you're trying to make something as Vanilla-like as possible then in a situation like this I don't see how you couldn't pick the Vanilla-like sucky option.
11/08/2018 01:01 PMPosted by Oldallagala
None of these answer my question I gave you. I didn't ask "Hey why don't you guys think they will be honest?"
I said IF you don't trust them enough to keep their word on this then why are you even planning on playing. Please answer me. Why would you want to play a game you THINK they are going to destroy? I use to love league of legends, but it has gone so far away from what it once was I simply don't enjoy it nor do I trust Riot to fix it, so you know what I did? I stopped playing.
A) I told you why I don't trust them to keep their word on this. Because they gave their word in exactly this same situation once before and broke it.
B) I don't have an active sub. I'm not currently playing. If they use sharding consistently and permanently throughout Classic, I will not play it either.
So I don't understand what your position is here. I'm giving feedback pre-launch, to let Blizzard know what my opinion is and what I want to see in the game. They will make the final decision what to include, and once that decision has been made, I will make my final decision whether or not to play.
I do not trust them to resist the temptation of continuing to use sharding if they include it at all. Therefore, my feedback is that there should be no sharding, ever, for any reason, under any circumstance. They have not previously lied to me about that exact statement, so if they give their word on it, I would accept it.
To repeat myself from another post, I don't think they're acting in bad faith. I think they're doing their best and that every decision they make, they believe is the best one for the game. I just don't agree with them on what is the best.
11/08/2018 01:10 PMPosted by EilethaluaOr am I missing something and they list people in /who that are on other shards?
/who will list players in other shards as well, because that way it makes it look like there are more players around.
11/08/2018 01:19 PMPosted by Oldallagala11/08/2018 01:18 PMPosted by Summerayné...
How many times does it have to be said that we were promised the same thing in live and now the whole game is sharded? It is now a permanent addition after being told it would not be in new content.
Itâs not sheep following a mob mentality. Itâs people like me who has played this game for many years and has saw the promise we are being promised now get broken. I was there when it was introduced in the game. I was there when they promised it was only temporary for the Legion launch. I was there when they went back on their word and kept it in the whole game never to be removed.
Why do we hate it? Watch the videos for crying out loud. Why are we concerned it wonât be temporary? Because we have saw this promise already be broken for live WoW. Itâs not rocket science why people are concerned and we have every right to be.
Then don't play the game if you think they are going to ruin it. It isn't rocket science. If you actually think they are going to go back on their word, then just don't play it.
And ya know, I probably wonât. I have been hoping that Blizzard would make these servers for many, many years. My excitement is pretty much gone at this point and itâs getting less by the day.
And I of course know you or no one else could care less. But itâs disappointing and saddening to me that they are ruining it from the start. The introduction of sharding, CRZ or phasing were the dealbreakers for me. Enjoy your antisocial Classic because thatâs what this worthless technology fosters.
In the meantime, I will continue to voice my extreme dislike for this beyond horrible technology with everyone else in the hopes that Blizzard will listen. You donât know me and donât have any idea how much I truly loved Vanilla WoW and how much I have been excited for this. But in the end, itâs just a game and if they stick by ruining community in a community based game, oh well, I wonât bother.
See here's the problem. You scream no sharding but what happens after? You won't have players. That full server you are on on release? Its low. That low server you started on on launch? Its now full. You don't know what you want. You think you do but you don't.
A) I told you why I don't trust them to keep their word on this. Because they gave their word in exactly this same situation once before and broke it.
B) I don't have an active sub. I'm not currently playing. If they use sharding consistently and permanently throughout Classic, I will not play it either.
So I don't understand what your position is here. I'm giving feedback pre-launch, to let Blizzard know what my opinion is and what I want to see in the game. They will make the final decision what to include, and once that decision has been made, I will make my final decision whether or not to play.11/08/2018 01:10 PMPosted by EilethaluaOr am I missing something and they list people in /who that are on other shards?
/who will list players in other shards as well, because that way it makes it look like there are more players around.
Excellent post. I'm in the exact same boat as you.
11/08/2018 12:40 AMPosted by HatchmarkItâs insane that you people still think sharding is going to last forever...
Mindless sheep following a mob mentality with no ounce of ability to think.
HATE SHARDING!!
Why?
JUST HATE IT!!
Okay!
This is 99% of the forum right now and blizzard knows it.
But what on earth makes you believe they won't just leave the sharding switch on with it auto sharding at certain pop levels? That is what it does now. They are not going to have a GM sitting next to the sharding button.
11/08/2018 01:15 PMPosted by BeatstikI want to log in, see 500 people in the starting area and say "holy shxt there are a lot of people playing this server, awesome!" and spend the first week battling the flood to get to level 10.
That will be a launch to remember not some phased 50 people each zone crap.
I was kind of looking forward to that myself.
11/08/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Caseofbeerin places like Blackrock Mountain when a dozen raid groups show up flagged and an all out brawl starts
Nice. Rip to WPVP
Even worse is a call goes out on World Defense ..someone ganking lowbies in a low level town. A bunch of 60's see the call and fly to town only to see a handful of people and not the rogue killing everything around him with piles of dead bones all over town.
You got to get into the shard to interact. You have to group up now for everything if you want to be a part of it.
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