And that kids is why sharding is unacceptable

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11/09/2018 02:35 AMPosted by Lhyme
11/09/2018 01:24 AMPosted by Nickamus
In any event, gratitude is very easy to give.
When there's something to be grateful for.

I'm not grateful for pruning, scaling, CRZ, SHARDING, LFR, pathfinding, RNG on top or RNG, on top of RNG, azertie, lack of communication, dishonesty and a bunch of other things. I'm certainly not grateful for Blizzard saying they're going to release Classic as "authentic as possible," (and for the love of Christ don't even suggest Classic isn't possible without sharding) and sit and watch them do otherwise.

Your insinuation that I should be grateful to Blizzard is nothing short of ridiculous. You might as well be claiming I should be grateful to Del Monte for opening up a can of peas only to find they've been replaced with beets.


^^^^^

Another post that should be taped to the doors of Bliz HQ.

Most people would gladly pay more thank $150 a year to play their games and Bliz is beyond ungrateful and is in no way humble.

You can tell it’s top-down pervasive in how they allow unpaid MVPs to post their opinions on things as if the green text makes it worth more than any other customer.
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Some seem to be trying to paint a picture of these stable pservers with 10k pops.
That is not completely accurate at all. They had lag, crashes, rollbacks, and alledged ddos attacks.
Their login servers constantly had issues.
I played nost. I played ely after nost gave them their code. They even did a nost character recovery before nost asked them to stop using their data. I played LH after they stole it from Ely and erased Ely because ely admins were embezzling donations and selling gold.
None of them were without issue. Honestly blizz doesn't even have that high of a bar as far as that goes because it could be and was a lag fest at times.
At no time did I feel like the smoothness of legion when I played. With an 80-100ms ping usually which isn't game breaking. I live on the east coast and play west coast servers.
My ping is usually 70-80ms.
So definitely not game breaking and shouldn't have been as laggy as I felt it was at times.
People were just complaining a couple days ago on ND about lag. Lol
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11/09/2018 06:35 AMPosted by Bláys

Most people would gladly pay more thank $150 a year to play their games and Bliz is beyond ungrateful and is in no way humble.

We already do.
12x15=180.
180>150

They show wow players every anniversay how much they appreciate them.
What has the electric company done lately to show you they appreciate you?
Gas company?
Oh nothing? Maybe we should all start trolling them or you know show our protest by unsubbing to the greedy gas, water, and light companies.
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11/09/2018 06:30 AMPosted by Oldallagala
nost did lie about how many there actually were, and fabricated by spawning fake players, your first video literally proves that. People logging in on their beta with full t3 in IF everywhere and NO ONE is moving.

Quite the conspiracy you got there
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11/09/2018 06:58 AMPosted by Droodguy
11/09/2018 06:30 AMPosted by Oldallagala
nost did lie about how many there actually were, and fabricated by spawning fake players, your first video literally proves that. People logging in on their beta with full t3 in IF everywhere and NO ONE is moving.

Quite the conspiracy you got there


It's not a conspiracy theory it is true. Look at those videos he linked and looked at the ones I linked. It doesn't take a genius to see this.
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Imagine talking about fabrication of sub numbers on a private server when blizzard doesn't even report theirs LMFAO.
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11/09/2018 06:56 AMPosted by Stiffhorn
What has the electric company done lately to show you they appreciate you?
Gas company?

You kind of need these things to function in society.
WoW Not so much. Buying the max amount of time won't even save you enough to afford a Server Transfer. You'll have to find that penny yourself.
With that said, the player that was sharded didn't crash the server when joining the shard. And all they did was create a hurdle for players to overcome. Everyone is trying to get to the shard that everyone is on, what's the point in sharding.
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11/09/2018 07:02 AMPosted by Discosummers
Imagine talking about fabrication of sub numbers on a private server when blizzard doesn't even report theirs LMFAO.


I'll take random, completely unrelated topics for 100 alex
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Reading from where I left off I don't want to come off as someone who hates private server players (i am one). I just think its ludicrous to think that people want them to recreate that experience when that experience is all wrong.
I also think it's ludicrous to completely dismiss those players and say they should have so say and have no insight when Blizzard invited the devs of Nost to their HQ.

The only reason I am for sharding is because they said it will be only used in the beginning and only in the starting zones to give a smooth launch(in the servers not shutting down type of way) and seeing as how I have no knowledge on what that would take I have no choice but to believe and have faith that they are doing it for the reasons they gave.

I have yet to see one good alternative.Dynamic spawns won't work because the issue isn't getting everybody to do everything its trying to get everybody to do everything and not have the only reason you can't be because the servers crashed.

People are bandwagoning on to Preachs idea as if it isn't just sharding itself. Which makes me think people really have no clue what they're even talking about when they say I want to be able to see everyone on my server at launch so how bout you you make Warsong 1-10 and merge them down they line so at launch I wont be able to see 1/10 of my servers population even though thats what I just said I wanted.
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On the bright side, you can take advantage of sharding in those 1-10 zones.
Shard hop to kill the rare elites that wander and get yourself a nice green item with good stats.
Shard hop so you can loot limited items and don't have to wait for respawns and get your quests done quicker.
Shard hop at chest respawn points.
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11/09/2018 07:41 AMPosted by Brockthorn
On the bright side, you can take advantage of sharding in those 1-10 zones.
Shard hop to kill the rare elites that wander and get yourself a nice green item with good stats.
Shard hop so you can loot limited items and don't have to wait for respawns and get your quests done quicker.
Shard hop at chest respawn points.
It caused me a little bit of physical pain to read that post and realize you're right. That's exactly what players will do.

It also demonstrates how sharding breaks immersion and is anti-rp. Because clearly you're not part of a living, breathing world. You're just existing on one version of it. Then you zoom over to a different version, then zoom over to yet another version. It makes me cringe.
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11/09/2018 07:41 AMPosted by Brockthorn
On the bright side, you can take advantage of sharding in those 1-10 zones.
Shard hop to kill the rare elites that wander and get yourself a nice green item with good stats.
Shard hop so you can loot limited items and don't have to wait for respawns and get your quests done quicker.
Shard hop at chest respawn points.


Do you actually think each shard is going to be barren enough for you to actually do this efficiently? If you think your shard is going to be wide open space you are sadly mistaken. Also, let's just humor your thought for a minute. How are you going to shard hop all these times? Do you have 10 people who will log in and invite you specifically just so YOU can get the gear and they will miss out on it? This isn't legion bud, only one person gets that loot.
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11/09/2018 06:29 AMPosted by Oldallagala
Even still, link me to where they said, "We are 100% having flying", "We are not going to give you flying in Draenor ever", "We want flying now".
Just stop. Jesus Christ, seriously??? "We're not going to be reintroducing the ability to fly in Draenor, and that's kind of where we're at going forward." That's Watcher. A direct quote from a Polygon interview.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17605672515
http://www.esports-news.co.uk/2015/06/10/flying-warlords-draenor-wod/

The idea that there wasn't waffling/deceit over this issue is just nuts.
11/09/2018 06:30 AMPosted by Oldallagala
But, nost did lie about how many there actually were, and fabricated by spawning fake players, your first video literally proves that. People logging in on their beta with full t3 in IF everywhere and NO ONE is moving
They spawned them for a STRESS TEST. It said that in the video. So???
11/09/2018 06:45 AMPosted by Stiffhorn
I played ely after nost gave them their code. They even did a nost character recovery before nost asked them to stop using their data. I played LH after they stole it from Ely and erased Ely because ely admins were embezzling donations and selling gold.
I played there too. Yeah, they had issues, but server stability wasn't one of them.

That's the issue. Not how nice they were or how much they embezzled or even how good their scripting was. Their servers were stable with high pops and no sharding. Blizzard can't do this because of the way their servers are set up. If they can't maintain server stability in the starting zones they can't do it for AQ, or Tarren Mill vs South Shore, or city raids, or player events, or even busy areas like Goldshire or Org.
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11/09/2018 07:44 AMPosted by Mogar
11/09/2018 07:41 AMPosted by Brockthorn
On the bright side, you can take advantage of sharding in those 1-10 zones.
Shard hop to kill the rare elites that wander and get yourself a nice green item with good stats.
Shard hop so you can loot limited items and don't have to wait for respawns and get your quests done quicker.
Shard hop at chest respawn points.
It caused me a little bit of physical pain to read that post and realize you're right. That's exactly what players will do.


It's done in retail. A poster stated that in some thread yesterday..they do it to get their WQ's done quicker. Raid groups do it in warmode.

I thought about how it could be exploited in vanilla and came up with that.

Same with herbs/ores/leather. Stand outside the yeti cave and skin..shard hop, skin, shard hop,....you get the idea.

Once players catch on they won't accept group invites because the group isn't being formed to do quests.
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11/09/2018 07:44 AMPosted by Mogar
11/09/2018 07:41 AMPosted by Brockthorn
On the bright side, you can take advantage of sharding in those 1-10 zones.
Shard hop to kill the rare elites that wander and get yourself a nice green item with good stats.
Shard hop so you can loot limited items and don't have to wait for respawns and get your quests done quicker.
Shard hop at chest respawn points.
It caused me a little bit of physical pain to read that post and realize you're right. That's exactly what players will do.

It also demonstrates how sharding breaks immersion and is anti-rp. Because clearly you're not part of a living, breathing world. You're just existing on one version of it. Then you zoom over to a different version, then zoom over to yet another version. It makes me cringe.


Now is that "authentic vanilla gameplay" ?
Nah..more like current retail gameplay.
And that really saddens me.
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Just stop. Jesus Christ, seriously??? "We're not going to be reintroducing the ability to fly in Draenor, and that's kind of where we're at going forward." That's Watcher. A direct quote from a Polygon interview.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17605672515
http://www.esports-news.co.uk/2015/06/10/flying-warlords-draenor-wod/

The idea that there wasn't waffling/deceit over this issue is just nuts.


Wait a minute... you said they said they WILL have flying then WONT have flying then WILL have flying. That's what I am asking for. Also, I just simply asked dude you want me to stop asking questions and just assume you are correct? Lol

They spawned them for a STRESS TEST. It said that in the video. So???


But you linked this video first as if to show how populated their servers were? But now you accept they were just bots... What do you mean "SO?", this doesn't show how well a server can hold these populations it just shows thats how many bots it can hold wtf? And they have been caught fudging their numbers like in the video I showed you. So explain that one bud.

11/09/2018 07:47 AMPosted by Lhyme
I played there too. Yeah, they had issues, but server stability wasn't one of them.


So you're saying you didn't play on those servers? Server stability was an issue for all of these servers and they crashed all the damn time. They even had a tracker you could see on their website "Server has been online for 5 hours" and it would reset every crash.

11/09/2018 07:47 AMPosted by Lhyme
If they can't maintain server stability in the starting zones they can't do it for AQ, or Tarren Mill vs South Shore, or city raids, or player events, or even busy areas like Goldshire or Org.


Aaaaaaaaaaand you're clueless. The most amount of people that will ever be on during one server is going to be at release. Not only that, it will FORCE all the players into these limited areas. When AQ happens 25% of the actual players may be still leveling. Some may not GAF about the event and just want to do bgs. Some may not want to be around that lag. On release, there is no choice. It's either you are stuck in this small area of the game until you level enough to spread out or you just simply don't login. Regardless, they said they will not shard these events, so if it crashes, it crashes.
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11/09/2018 07:08 AMPosted by Babana
11/09/2018 06:56 AMPosted by Stiffhorn
What has the electric company done lately to show you they appreciate you?
Gas company?

You kind of need these things to function in society.
WoW Not so much. Buying the max amount of time won't even save you enough to afford a Server Transfer. You'll have to find that penny yourself.
With that said, the player that was sharded didn't crash the server when joining the shard. And all they did was create a hurdle for players to overcome. Everyone is trying to get to the shard that everyone is on, what's the point in sharding.


How long did humanity survive with out utility services?
You need them if you want to live within established society.
You can live without them or use alternatives.

You're right though. Wow is a luxury entertainment item. Completely optional.
Yet $15 a month(same as 2004) is too much?
You spend that at the door getting into most good clubs on the weekend. Even more if they charge for parking and the place is bumping.
That is before you even get a drink.

Well according to blizz this will be launch and only the start zones to ease server load at launch and most likely herd some players along.
Not sure it will be like that but meh.

We still don't have all the details. We still don't even know what the load will be on launch.
Who knows sharding or not we might break the login server. Then again it might not be half as bad as is seemingly being projected.
We need to know how many servers, what types, server names, regions, timezones, where are the streamers and their herds going, is it a world wide release, are server releases being staggered at all, and we need to know for the sake of all that is good: when is the open beta.

These things can give us some valuable information to ascertain a much clearer picture of what launch day will be like.
Might not even be needed. Might be needed or no one is playing on launch day.
I know I don't want to waste a week's vacation staring at a log in screen que countdown.
Also the concerns about using for events such as AQ or city raids.
AQ I'm ok with because that is a piece of gaming history that hopefully we get a unique chance to see again.
For those who locked up and couldn't even see the event. Sharding seems like it would be ideal.
City raids and world bosses though? Let it be a lag fest. What most call lag is their cpu and gpu not being able to keep up.
Upgrade or turn your settings down.
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Any private server talk is a strawman and has no bearing on any Classic or Retail wow discussion. I'm sorry, that's just how it is. I'm anti-sharding, pro-vanilla, pro-vanilla AV, because of how the classes played and how the game felt.

That being said, I'm also pro-current graphics. See? People can be all over the map with their opinions.

Private servers have nothing to do with any of this. Nothing. It doesn't matter how well my friend brews beer in his basement when it comes to trying to get a major brewer to revert a recipe. And NO I don't have to be grateful that they brew anything at all, or grovel at their feet because they're reverse engineering their current beer recipe.

I also don't have to treat the guys working in the brewery with some kind of reverence. Make the beer.
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11/09/2018 08:23 AMPosted by Stiffhorn
You spend that at the door getting into most good clubs on the weekend.
I don't. I don't go to clubs and I don't spend Money at the door. Honestly, why do you assume so much?
I played WoW and want to play Future WoW. Tons of clubbing in my future.
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11/09/2018 08:37 AMPosted by Babana
11/09/2018 08:23 AMPosted by Stiffhorn
You spend that at the door getting into most good clubs on the weekend.
I don't. I don't go to clubs and I don't spend Money at the door. Honestly, why do you assume so much?
I played WoW and want to play Future WoW. Tons of clubbing in my future.


Fine, then you spend that on one trip to Taco Bell. However it fits you