me². The bloodfang pack was a allie of crowley and his resistance.
It’s not a defect. You just don’t like that people pay attention to the lore and know the actual details and are telling you that you’re wrong.
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No, that’s wrong. I do pay attention to the lore, I did read those stories. I already mentioned that earlier. We differ in that I recognize that you can be aware of these elements, but the feeling conveyed by the visual presentation will win.
In short, the text of the story is not the only thing that matters. How the story is told matters - and it matters far more.
Not just technical progress Zahir. Tactical progress. The Horde’s battle strategy in the WoT was an alarming example of us doing the one and only thing that we knew since WC3 we weren’t supposed to do when combating the NEs. Fight on their level. Let them revel in their friendly terrain advantage. And do nothing to attempt to get them out of it (like the Air or Water). You could have literally had nearly every Horde soldier in the WoT repeating “ZugZug, Ready to Work” and it would have been accurate.
But … lets try not to get too far down this tangent. Fact of the matter remains, this was not a reinforcement or celebration of Horde Formidability. Had you allowed the post WoD Horde smash into the NE lines? Maybe. You regress the Horde to what it was 13 years ago and then force them to do it? Not really.
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And the actual Bloodfang pack isn’t that big. It’s relatively small compared to say the gilnean worgen.
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they were a huge force and a deadly enemy of the forsaken, and were not alone. They fought together with crowleys crew and units and were one of the two faces of the resistance. That´s huge, Micah. Thats huge.
And the story told us that the Horde barely eeked out a win against a largely civilian defense force of a single Alliance race. Having been reduced to a vision of itself nearly 13 years old at that point in the process. There is no affirmation or celebration of Horde Formidability here. As I stated to Zahir. You want that? You let the post-WoD Horde smash into NE lines and see how things go.
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You know what, now that I think about it, I think I might have been confusing them with the worgen up in grizzly hills. My bad 
And tell everyone who’s actually PLAYED the expansion, bothered to read the text and lore sources, that they are wrong, because I like to write long winded responses that ultimately don’t have much substance
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in the wot- Plotline, many things were left out.
on Alliance:
- Wildgods of the NE
- Draenei
- Spaceships
- Worgen (I mean, have you seen worgen defend the ne territoryss in the wot?)
Horde
- Their Garrosh-wartech
- Loasupport(Blessings and such things)
- Magic(Be´s and nb´s and forsaken to burn parts of the forest)
- Elementals
but, blizzard answer on this term: “not the story we want to tell”
no prob^^
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You’re asserting “barely eeked out” with the objective being to comprehensively destroy and displace the military and civilian population of an entire nation. If we were talking about one battle, I could more readily see your point, but you’re talking about a campaign of immense scale that again, ends with you taking the entire northern part of the continent and destroying the world tree.
There was a reason people were shouting “for the Horde” on Twitter when the art of this event was initially released. It was a great victory - it was presented that way - your assertions that the Horde didn’t smash the Night Elves hard enough notwithstanding.
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Wildgods have never in their history ever interfered in Mortal Conflicts. Them being absent is not a big thing. Worgen, sure, but the majority of their actual combatants were in EK. Draenei, absolutely. The Vindecaar, absolutely (though, things could have gotten a lot of fun there if Blizz remembered that the BEs were the ones to take down the Exodar; and were the only Horde race allowed access to the inner workings of that new spaceship).
But, lets end it all with. “This is the story we don’t want to tell” from Blizz. Largely because BfA was objectively one of the most creatively bankrupt expansions I think I’ve ever seen. At least when it comes to the Meta-War narrative. Zandalar was pretty nice all things considered.
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because this people didn´t read everything…saw only this “VICTORY FOR THE HORDE”. Sure, some will have been happy to finally defeat night elves…hooray, but the disillusionment came just as quickly as the cry of victory.
thats not true, if cenarius call them, they come to aid them. cenarius is the keyfigure here. Loa fought against mortal enemys aswell, on the trollside. The tiger in pandaria fought against the mogu aswell. (Mortal conflict)
why should the horde allways be able to destroy things? The intention of this sentence, after all, is that the Be’s should be able to sabotage the Vindicar - successfully, of course.
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We’ve reached my favorite part of the Kyalin argument where she insists your argument doesn’t matter cause she saw a meme on twitter 4 years ago.
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because this people didn´t read everything…saw only this “VICTORY FOR THE HORDE”. Sure, some will have been happy to finally defeat night elves…hooray, but the disillusionment came just as quickly as the cry of victory.
Yep - that’s true - and that largely continued up until we learned that it actually was Sylvanas who ordered the burning and not dreadlord Jaina or something. There were some people who were a little queasy about it, but overall, the red side was pumped, and who could blame them? They were getting the biggest “W” ever.
I can’t completely knock people for that - again, it’s natural to want to win in a rivalry. But there are two sides to that, and this is supposed to be based around a competitive multiplayer experience where people are motivated to engage in that rivalry. Getting handed fiat losses on this scale demotivates people. Being told that you’re evil for participating also demotivates people. Blizzard should have been able to recognize that.
No player race should ever be allowed…to almost wipe out another player race…that completely destroyed the rivalry and set things skyrocking.
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And you’re implying they never should be able to simply because they done it once before already. And droite is right, the wild gods largely don’t interfere in mortal matters. The Kaldorei had to beg them during the war of the ancients, after the wild gods initially told them to clean up their own mess.
They only got involved once they realized the legion wasn’t going to stop once the kaldorei were defeated and the whole world was at risk.
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Precisely.
Because we’re the baddies, by default. That’s why. No reason to think about it any deeper than that, Blizz clearly doesn’t. As for the Vindecaar. You field the Vindecaar in a War, you face the reality that it is made a target. And the Horde isn’t as weak to it as many people assume. The NBs and BEs are arcane tech experts in their own right, and it was BEs that brought down the Exodar.
Sigh … but I really don’t want to get into this spitting contest tangent. Back on point, there was no reinforcement or celebration of Horde Formidability in BfA. Can we at least agree on that? I know I’ll never get that much out of the OP, but c’mon Zahir. Can you at least look at the WoT and think "yeah, the Horde running face first into instadeath wisp walls or needing a magical rock or smugglers path to not be stalled completely in Darkshore is not “formidable”?
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