Troll gonna troll.
You asked direct questions and you were given thought out detailed answers. A question is asked of you and you put zero effort into a genuine non-trolly answer.
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a) I answered your question. There is one overriding reason why I prefer later AV. Because the games actually were played by the people who started them, instead of a Ship of Theseus team. I donât need to waffle on for 20 paragraphs to explain my preference.
b) Iâm not arguing for my preference. Iâm highlighting that Blizzard are implementing 1.12. Thus why I was asking what basis you actually considered AV to be good enough to justify breaking their mould to go for another version. What my preference is, doesnât actually matter in the long run.
If you canât take genuine questions for genuine questions, not my problem. This thread has gone on so long most people are just arguing for AV1.5, not for the elements that they are basing it on, thus the question.
EDIT: Also when you posted your crickets post, I was still reading the 100 odd replies since I stopped reading last night.
Read the post i replied to and the one I linked and tell me you didnt. Also im not going to reply to you again since your disingenuous and donât debate in good faith.
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Cubic⌠man. Itâs taking a lot to continue this discussion since you have offered zero concessions. Absolutely zero while I and others have stated previously in this thread weâd be fine with a 1.5 to 1.12 timeline as a compromise since thatâs fair.
I stated in another thread. I have tried nearly every talking point I can think of to try and get through to you guys. I have tried everythingâŚ
Blizzardâs own word.
Player mentality.
Authentic recreation from 1.5 - 1.12
Original team member words.
You are extremely stubborn. Itâs not fun speaking with you. Itâs really not. Youâre most likely a nice person in real life. But on here you offer zero compromise, yet you point to Blizzard compromising as points to back up your claims as to why they should yield to your demand. Itâs not even a request at this point with how hostile you are to some folks.
I didnât play 1.5 AV so I cannot comment if I like it or not. I havenât played private servers so I cannot comment on that experience.
What did I like about 1.12 AV? I was able to have epic battles in 1.12 AV. I linked my WotLK character with over 1115 AV games, which is far past the 1.12 version. I played AV from patch 1.10 to patch 1.12. As I said before⌠I still had hours long battles with AV⌠thatâs what I liked! I liked fighting for hours it seemed on the stormpike bridge. That was fun.
In watching videos of Classic streamers speak with private server players, they said in the version with all the extra NPCs it grants more honor. So much honor that sometimes AB is not worth it to farm.
Therefore you are forcing rank 14 grinders to play your way. People who play the game 16 hours a day. Extremely dedicated people now have to shift their gameplay because of your request. Not Blizzardâs request. Yours.
Blizzard has stated their intentions. In this thread they didnât ask for feedback. There was no closing âweâre looking at your questions and feedbackâ. It was a statement.
Rob has been willing to compromise, but we arenât there yet. You on the otherhand are not having a discussion. You arenât offering different talking points. You are rehashing the same phrases in every post.
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Think Iâm done debating this topic. Itâs getting old and not very fun. Iâll leave with 1.5 - 1.12 being a good compromise. Iâm going to play whatever Blizzard gives me.
Wish you guys the best and hope if you donât get 1.5 AV Iâll still see you in Classic.
Of course it is, it is changing it and reverting it back.
It is no different then giving npcs their 30% dps back.
The only event that can even occur in 1.12 and beyond is aq, anything besides aq is changing it.
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Because seeing something to completion is not a requirement to having fun. Iâd rather play in a true AV without reaching victory or defeat, over a zerg AV that quickly ends.
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Agreed. And I would rather have the static classic version of AV be the one with the most content, rather than the stripped down version. I want the AV that the developers initially envisioned, the one where you were just a small part of a larger battle.
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So, when a guild is unable to clear a raid during a single lockout they just shouldnât even try?
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Those who want to understand what they mean by âclarityâ should view this entire video:
Those currently making decisions for classic are the least capable of even understanding what made vanilla great.
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We can only hope they understand that 1.12 is a mistake. They are crippling themselves and their game if they refuse to change their mind on this.
Alterac Valley is probably one of the pillars that made the game famous back in 2005. There was no other online game at that time that would have a battleground that opposed 80 players, with objectives, quests, events that could last for hours.
A battleground that can last 5 mins is not interesting at all.
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Notice the battleground mechanics part.
Sorry to say to all wishing for earlier AV. I think this debate is over.
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Yeah, over a month of further discussion by the community with plenty of support for earlier AV mechanics and we get another post confirming their intention to stick with 1.12. Looks like itâs basically set in stone.
Unfortunate, but I have to agree. Makes the term âmuseum pieceâ feel a bit off, though â a museum doesnât just cover the Cretaceous period, it covers the whole Mesozoic era.
I feel Classic would have best been served to still hold the older versions available, even as recreations and as weekend-only events, than for them to fall to the wayside, forever lost from the game.
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Monkey Jesus is still in the lead, being deemed better by blizzard.
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If you think I will stop fighting over the version of A.V even after launch ⌠They can make another post saying âNo, it will be A.V 1.12 despite what the community saysâ that I would still argue for it to be honest.
I have fought to get Vanilla servers for over 10 years, I canât let the thing I was the most excited about to be this stupid, boring version âŚ
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Same. It is worth fighting for.
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Does reverting npc damage and health back count as mechanics?
I personally donât think so, either way debate isnât over.
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The whole last section applies to this thread. For all the people saying âYou donât know what they intend to doâ, clearly we did.
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People have been asking for old AV longer than theyâve been asking for vanilla servers. This fight isnât new, and will not die as long as people who played in the original AV are still invested in Classic.
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Ill be right here with you.
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