I know what you mean. I was stuck in the 51-60 level bracket for months while I was leveling my first character. I spent most of my time playing Warsong Gulch. There was a level ~57+ mage on Horde that had Rank 11 and the epic mount on my server. We all knew him as well as the others we Qd against often.
I get the idea. However, I think the benefits of CRBGs as I described hold their own against the benefits of server rivalries.
Lastly, everyone has a rank next to their name on the scoreboard. It doesnât take an addon to realize who is most likely to kill you. People grinding R12+ will meet each other often CRBGs or not. However, the entire PvP scene benefits from CRBGs, not just the ultra dedicated honor grinders.
By the time CP6 comes out though, some servers will be heavily unbalanced and crying out for CRBGs, just like they were in 1.12. It would be nice to have a priority for local opponents, but AFAIK that never existed in the Vanilla version so Iâm not getting my hopes up.
It got us classic after over 10 years of being told we wouldnât be getting it. And despite players like you that felt compelled to create a wall of no of blizzard âfactsâ to act as friction against the efforts.
I donât want Classic to be dictated by player desires. That road leads to Retail.
You are demanding, repeatedly, to have the version you want. Populism destroyed the original WoW experience. So donât act like youâre any better than those people youâre railing against.
Classic is an actual thing due to player desires. Again I have to wonder where you were during the past 10 years, when many polls and many discussions were taking place concerning AV.
Oh thatâs right: playing BFA. Accepting all of the changes that occurred to the game. Well guess what, many of the bad changes happened within the vanilla time period. Suggesting that wanting an earlier version of a vanilla aspect is akin to what led the game down the rotted path is ludicrous.
Yet, continuing to suggest that somehow I âapproveâ of BfA is the height of courtesy?
I was literally using your arguments for why my position doesnât matter. You couldnât even see that and continued to use the same broken logic of âI donât like your position therefore you are a horrible personâ.
Iâm sorry, but youâre going to be disappointed when the game releases.
They have listened to all the feedback. They understand all the positions.
You have no position beyond friction. You simply parrot what blizzard has stated most recently as gospel. Precisely what the wall of no posters did repeatedly.
I have been disappointed with the game since the decline began in late vanilla. I made the mistake of purchasing a couple expansions hoping it would right itself. Your tolerance for what the game ultimately became is a lot higher than mine.
Maybe put it in a nicely formatted bullet-point form, you know, like that other thing you claim to not have anything in common with.
Sad to say it, but there are a couple of people on these forums (as there are everywhere) who are needlessly combative and universally argumentative.
They are easy to spot, their very ubiquity being one of the main signs, and the fact that they turn any thread into a slanging match no matter what the topic: they could turn a unanimously positive 500 post thread about the cuteness of baby goats into a raging argument with a single post.
You see it time and time again, and it has come to the point where I just wait for it⌠wait for it⌠and then laugh when the thread devolves when they arrive.
Just to be frank, this comment completely contradicts your âline that has not been crossedâ point earlier. Although Iâll give you that you are only treading on the idea and not completely making a stand for it, it just goes to show how the mental thinking is for those that are arguing for 1.5AV.
Actually, its expressing a personal opinion that I would not be against it.
And if they didnât do it (which I expect) I would not be against that either, because it holds the line theyâve been standing with.
Ensuring better community is where my personal stance is a little less strict than Blizzards. Things like âbetter game mechanics because I want itâ, not so much.
But my expectation is completely that it will be introduced in CP6, because thatâs what Blizzard will need from a playability standpoint in the same way they did then.
Remember too, as Iâve said many times, I understand the passion for AV 1.5. However, its a dangerous line to cross. And if they did change CRBGs it would be too, for the same reason. Thus I very much doubt it will change.
Edit: Yeah read the PS before, I think I came off negative a bit and didnât mean to.)
Just so you know, the main point of his post was pointing out that your argument is the same base one used by the wall of no.
And yet there would not be Classic without player desires for it. Thatâs the ENTIRE point of this.
Making sure that Classic will feel like Vanilla and maintain many if not near all of the elements that can no long be experienced. Without player desire Classic wouldnât exist. Without player desire, even with it coming, there would be changes made based on Blizzardâs own desires.
ânochangesâ is player desire. Remember that. Itâs making sure where the core of that desire comes from and what it leads to is the real question.
Umm yeah, weâre all customers. If I was the ONLY person here wanting 1.5AV and everyone told me âbruh, 1.12 AV is so much better you donât know what you are talking about!â Iâd shut up! Iâd be silent! But the louder part of the community at the very least seems to be that which is pro 1.5AV. Now whether or not weâre the majority is questionable, but this thread brings a good idea of that out!
Yes you are right, but you are also wrong. Itâs not JUST populism, it was populism with a goal of change, with a goal of improvement. Populism for the origin, for the original game as it was and the things we can no longer experience is what is bringing it back! Itâs not that it is populism but the goal of it.
Saying populism is what destroyed wow is like saying that voting is what destroys a country when they elect a bad representative. Itâs not the voting, itâs how the voting was used.
And this is us giving feedback in response to their feedback.
Wall of No argument RIGHT FREAKING THERE⌠(Just pointing it out, not being negative, this âthey made their choiceâ thing is used a lot of times and needs to be shown why it is a faulty argument)
âOh they made their choice, it is done!â
No, they can change their decision. Heck they can change their minds and not do Classic period but thatâd be a TOTAL waste right now. Theyâve done this before in response to the WoD flight debacle.
Yeah I understand. Itâs why I remarked âAlthough Iâll give you that you are only treading on the idea and not completely making a stand for itâ because you spoke quite correctly and carefully. Itâs a sign of intelligent thinking and one I will compliment you on. Very few people here know how to tread carefully to express an opinion without falling entirely into one side or the other.
I get that. I disagree because I think specified definitions put in place properly can protect it from being a snowball effect, but I do understand that argument and will not try to argue against it.
omg, just you saying that makes me want to play my druid first.
P.S. If anything I say comes off negative, I donât mean to. Iâve got a bad headache that no medication seems to be stopping right now and thereâs nothing I can do atm but sit here at work.
Iâll take that in the spirit given. But weâre fast reaching a point where Blizzard has to have already made these decisions, and constantly making new threads or necroing ones from before they made their final decision and communicated it to us, is just generating noise. Other things that we really need answer to, like server counts, sharding implementation, and yes, release date, seem to keep falling by the wayside of things that Blizzard already listened to us and made a decision on.
Weâre 1100 posts in, on a blue post where they start by saying that they know everyoneâs been asking, and theyâve listened to all the feedback. And in all that time, no further information about them changing their thoughts, like they did in the Loot Trading and Content Patch stuff.
I hate to get into arguments about arguments, but if they made up their mind on AV, then what is the problem with people expressing their disapproval? If not, then people should chime in - Blizzard has changed course on a few plans already.
The posts asking for an earlier version of AV donât take away Blizzardâs ability to announce on other topics.
They may have read the arguments, but they may not have appreciated the sentiment until after they announced their plans.
We are not likely to see AV until 2020 - assuming they have the code, they have time to do the right thing.
I know this is the AV forum but since we are debating CRBGS as well I would be all for a system that allowed for both que for server and que for crbgs Iâm not talking just for premades make the system work for everyone.
Personally I feel that Blizzard should implement Alterac Valley as it exists in retail today, to avoid all the tedium of the classic version, which honestly took far too long.
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