Don’t y’all get it? The time for outrage has passed. None of you have the right to grind reputation in 1.12 AV then demand the good AV be implemented as a replacement. Not in Blizzard’s prerogative. Y’all had one chance to unite against the travesty of 1.12 AV. You didn’t. You should have been part of the resistance, but instead you participated in 1.12 AV. What does that look like on investor reports? I am not one of the Blizzard fanbois who blame players for everything. Yes, it was Blizzard’s fault, but your participation was not part of our solution to the problem Blizzard brought. You weren’t with us. You were against us. You didn’t uninstall Modern Wow. You prepurchased Shadowlands. You literally posted against people calling for <1.10AV just to make bringing Classic WoW feel easy for Blizzard. Blame does fall on you, in part, because of inaction or fanboi-ism.
This BG used to be the only way for me to farm gold by turning in heads and spines. Why did you remove that?
Just like they did in Vanilla.
Losing premades were definitely in TBC, but wouldn’t be surprised if those sprang up, too.
Some people.
But devs can’t stop themselves from making changes to realign classic to what they think vanilla should have been, and what it ought to have led to, despite the unpopularity of many changes to both original vanilla in the process or to retail. Their vision is an impediment rather than a guiding force.
They think being able to farm gold is a privilege that should be restricted to early power levelers, for whom “exploit early exploit often” is the rule.
I left over nerfs to gold generation. It was as though they thought their 1-3 silver per mob was too generous and they felt I deserved tough love.
Ok, but why aren’t there herbs in AV?
They were in there for nearly a decade, but not in classic for some reason.
What gives?
There was your first major clue super sleuths. The best of the best of you will deduce that this snippet revealed all. Not that anything would have changed had the entire populous known.
Lmao nice 
I’d be fine with using 1.11 BGs … because guess what, that would mean no xserver queues and a sense of server community could return. And it would make AV queues long enough that it wasn’t the best honor farm.
Sure, let’s use 1.11, I agree!
Combining 1.11 AV with xserver queues though resulted in the worst state of the PvP system during all of Vanilla … which is exactly the dumpster fire version of “PvP” we got.
They should have given us the version in TBC with reinforcements.
there isnt any major difference between 1.11 AV and 1.12 AV outside of the following
-Joining a BG adds you to a /bg group that you can not leave
-BG leads are given to whoever has the highest PVP rank about a minute before the gates open
So you would still get the face roll we got now only with fewer potential players due to the realm specific requirements of anything before 1.12 (while battle groups are used in 1.12 - I am uncertain of how the ‘classic’ wow RBG system functions for group gathering)
a map akin to 1.8 is what we most likely ‘should’ have gotten all things considered.
- it is the ‘slimmed’ down map with the geometry changes to reduce faction favored cheese due to design flaws.
- it was kneecapped enough to make it a kinda face roll but mobs still mattered.
-it was out longer than the AV we were given in ‘classic’
Why do you put guards in Drek’s room? What is the point if Alliance can single pull Drek? Can you explain the lack of fixing this obvious bug? You put guards in Drek’s room for a reason right? They aren’t there simply to look pretty. FIX THIS!
I don’t think that’s right
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what?
Pre 1.8 if I remember correctly the Horde BG entrance was a bit further north for a bit which reinforced a no defense meta for the horde players if they wanted to win.
I call the 1.8 map the slimmed down map because of the magical avalanche that narrowed the center of the AV map down a bit and removed the syndicate/gnolls/most of the winteraxe trolls from the map.
Blizz kneecapped the strength of the NPC’s in 1.8 via a power reduction between 15-30% based on the individual mob. This is the reason it can be considered kinda face roll. A good AV pre-made group could still succeed in a rush strategy if they had the appropriate gear/comp but there was still a risk to doing so because of the strength/density of npcs.
We were given 1.12 AV which in addition to the easier to kill NPCs via the power level descaling also had the vast majority of mob density removed. Most likely to accelerate the AV matches further as well as make it easier to grind out the rep.
1.8 was arguably the ‘best’ version of AV that was created (NPC’s mattered but were not the sole focus, multiple strategies were the focus, ect)
It is. There were no changes between 1.11 and 1.12 for AV and those two things are the only system changes that were incorporated during 1.12 that have any bearing
the largest changes to AV were in patches 1.8 and 1.11 where mob strength was reduced by 15-30% and the vast majority of NPCs being removed from the BG respectively. Korrack being removed in 1.10 is debatable as a large change but i personally view it as a relatively minor one in comparison to the other two patches.
Wrong! No one wants a watered down AV. People like a challenge.
This would keep people farming honor in AV and having more fights as opposed to now people avoiding PvP and trying to zerg the last boss…
This current AV is a joke. You should be ashamed for releasing it.
Much of the time the defense is made up of horde who die and are bounced backward to earlier GYs. In early AV it was not typical (from my experience) for defenders to start the game and go directly to the keep.
Well yeah, but all it did was remove content. To what end?
Absolutely. AV patches prior to 1.8 actually buffed stuff.
Which we who supported early AV tried to stress to blizzard, long before they made the decision to go with 1.12.
Early on with AV, IMHO, the issue with AV was not the BG itself, but rather it being prior to CRBGs were introduced. In classic blizzard chucked the 1.12 state of gear and talents, CRBG, as well as the most nerfed version of AV in, despite a long history of vanilla players warning them against it.
1.7 is the (imho) best/most complete. Uncertain why you would choose the first version that began the guttening in a huge way. Very few changed post 1.7 were good for AV gameplay. An example being the 1 to 1 queueing into it to keep the factions balanced. Really not understanding your “NPCs sole focus” part. The NPCs were an integral part of the BG, to be used as tools to foster PVPVE. The mistake many players make is just seeing them as NPCs. They were literally what made AV what it was originally intended to be.
THIS WOULD MAKE MY HEART SING! They messed it up big time. And on top of all this the way the server transfers were rolled out makes you want to cry. So much for enjoying PvP.
Why can’t I queue for AV with my friend? We tried to queue together and it didn’t work. Then we tried to individually queue for the same BG and it gave me an error saying “someone in my group already queued for that instance” … so then we left group and it still wouldn’t let me queue up. I’ve been leveling with my friend all the way so why can’t we play the BG together? This is garbage.
Can you queue for WSG together?