Alterac Valley in Classic

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

not at all shocked that you would think and apparently accept that MoHs would be a forgone conclusion, despite the damage they did.

They were in 1.12 so yeah, unless there’s evidence to the contrary, they’re in at CP4.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

A general question I asked in another thread, but could be better asked here:

What parts of actual gameplay in AV 1.12 were things you enjoyed, which were not available in the early versions?

We’ve covered that people “liked”:

• faster completion
• faster loot acquisition

crickets

[Luuni-area-52]

What did you like and enjoy in the early day long versions?
Also what was it like playing AV for the entire 48 hours it was up? You did play the entire AV from start to finish right?

[Robfried-shadow-council]

1.5 AV please please please

Agreed. It will get old fast. I think the people who keep clamoring on about day long or three days long AVs aren’t even going to be able to log in to experience a majority of it. They will play AV after work, log off and then wake up the next day go to work and come back and do the same AV? You already missed like 12+ hours of the battle. What if the AV ends while you were away? Wouldn’t that defeat the whole purpose? People are older nowdays, at least a majority of the playerbase who plays …

Didnt take long for ypu to contradict yourself huh. You’ve proven to everyone that your a troll.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

What did you like and enjoy in the early day long versions?
Also what was it like playing AV for the entire 48 hours it was up? You did play the entire AV from start to finish right?

Oh look, lunni is answering a direct question with a question that has been explained in depth over multiple threads in multiple posts.

Shocking.

[Luuni-area-52]

How have I contradicted myself? Normally people who make accusations like that link two posts to showcase where I fumbled my words.

Also, right now I am speaking with people who have their thumbs jammed into their ears. I’ve spoken to children who do this. My general strategy is to try to take a different approach then with the child.

So, with this subject I may have jumped around on argument points. But I can assure you I’m not a troll for trying to showcase different points as to why a static 1.5 AV is not good for the game.

Oh look, lunni is answering a direct question with a question that has been explained in depth over multiple threads in multiple posts.

Shocking.

Actually, I’m just curious as to if you actually experience the entire duration of the BG. I am assuming you don’t. Most players would not experience the entire duration of AV that lasts days. They have other obligations.

So… why do you want something that you cannot fully participate in? I certainly don’t want that. I want to see something from start to finish.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

You’ve proven to everyone that your a troll.

She gets bites, so she continues.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

A general question I asked in another thread, but could be better asked here:

What parts of actual gameplay in AV 1.12 were things you enjoyed, which were not available in the early versions?

We’ve covered that people “liked”:

• faster completion
• faster loot acquisition

Completing the game based on the skill and dedication of the 80 players who started it, not the 390 Alliance subs who were waiting in queue for 18 hours.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Troll gonna troll.
You asked direct questions and you were given thought out detailed answers. A question is asked of you and you put zero effort into a genuine non-trolly answer.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

a) I answered your question. There is one overriding reason why I prefer later AV. Because the games actually were played by the people who started them, instead of a Ship of Theseus team. I don’t need to waffle on for 20 paragraphs to explain my preference.

b) I’m not arguing for my preference. I’m highlighting that Blizzard are implementing 1.12. Thus why I was asking what basis you actually considered AV to be good enough to justify breaking their mould to go for another version. What my preference is, doesn’t actually matter in the long run.

If you can’t take genuine questions for genuine questions, not my problem. This thread has gone on so long most people are just arguing for AV1.5, not for the elements that they are basing it on, thus the question.

EDIT: Also when you posted your crickets post, I was still reading the 100 odd replies since I stopped reading last night.

[Robfried-shadow-council]

Read the post i replied to and the one I linked and tell me you didnt. Also im not going to reply to you again since your disingenuous and don’t debate in good faith.

[Luuni-area-52]

Cubic… man. It’s taking a lot to continue this discussion since you have offered zero concessions. Absolutely zero while I and others have stated previously in this thread we’d be fine with a 1.5 to 1.12 timeline as a compromise since that’s fair.

I stated in another thread. I have tried nearly every talking point I can think of to try and get through to you guys. I have tried everything…

Blizzard’s own word.
Player mentality.
Authentic recreation from 1.5 - 1.12
Original team member words.

You are extremely stubborn. It’s not fun speaking with you. It’s really not. You’re most likely a nice person in real life. But on here you offer zero compromise, yet you point to Blizzard compromising as points to back up your claims as to why they should yield to your demand. It’s not even a request at this point with how hostile you are to some folks.

I didn’t play 1.5 AV so I cannot comment if I like it or not. I haven’t played private servers so I cannot comment on that experience.

What did I like about 1.12 AV? I was able to have epic battles in 1.12 AV. I linked my WotLK character with over 1115 AV games, which is far past the 1.12 version. I played AV from patch 1.10 to patch 1.12. As I said before… I still had hours long battles with AV… that’s what I liked! I liked fighting for hours it seemed on the stormpike bridge. That was fun.

In watching videos of Classic streamers speak with private server players, they said in the version with all the extra NPCs it grants more honor. So much honor that sometimes AB is not worth it to farm.

Therefore you are forcing rank 14 grinders to play your way. People who play the game 16 hours a day. Extremely dedicated people now have to shift their gameplay because of your request. Not Blizzard’s request. Yours.

Blizzard has stated their intentions. In this thread they didn’t ask for feedback. There was no closing “we’re looking at your questions and feedback”. It was a statement.

Rob has been willing to compromise, but we aren’t there yet. You on the otherhand are not having a discussion. You aren’t offering different talking points. You are rehashing the same phrases in every post.

*edit

Think I’m done debating this topic. It’s getting old and not very fun. I’ll leave with 1.5 - 1.12 being a good compromise. I’m going to play whatever Blizzard gives me.

Wish you guys the best and hope if you don’t get 1.5 AV I’ll still see you in Classic.

[Enginrin-dalvengyr]

That is not changing the 1.12 code is what elo was eluding to.

Of course it is, it is changing it and reverting it back.
It is no different then giving npcs their 30% dps back.

The only event that can even occur in 1.12 and beyond is aq, anything besides aq is changing it.

[Switzy-stormreaver (Switzy)]

So… why do you want something that you cannot fully participate in? I certainly don’t want that. I want to see something from start to finish.

Because seeing something to completion is not a requirement to having fun. I’d rather play in a true AV without reaching victory or defeat, over a zerg AV that quickly ends.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Agreed. And I would rather have the static classic version of AV be the one with the most content, rather than the stripped down version. I want the AV that the developers initially envisioned, the one where you were just a small part of a larger battle.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

So… why do you want something that you cannot fully participate in?

So, when a guild is unable to clear a raid during a single lockout they just shouldn’t even try?

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Those who want to understand what they mean by “clarity” should view this entire video:

Those currently making decisions for classic are the least capable of even understanding what made vanilla great.

[Seijuron-darkspear (Seijuron)]

We can only hope they understand that 1.12 is a mistake. They are crippling themselves and their game if they refuse to change their mind on this.

Alterac Valley is probably one of the pillars that made the game famous back in 2005. There was no other online game at that time that would have a battleground that opposed 80 players, with objectives, quests, events that could last for hours.

A battleground that can last 5 mins is not interesting at all.

[Sírre-malfurion]

@Kaivax

This means that while content will be unlocked progressively to allow for each raid tier to shine, systems such as class design, battleground mechanics, and stats on existing items will all be set to their final 1.12 conditions.

Notice the battleground mechanics part.
Sorry to say to all wishing for earlier AV. I think this debate is over.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Yeah, over a month of further discussion by the community with plenty of support for earlier AV mechanics and we get another post confirming their intention to stick with 1.12. Looks like it’s basically set in stone.