Ally have figured out how to premade again

It’s hilarious. Then they get rolled thru by a premade and all of a sudden alliance is somehow avoiding pvp because we trash them and move on instead of cave camping for 30 mins. What a bunch of toxic players.

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I don’t think this is exclusive to horde players in general. The scorched earth policy by lolrankers is toxic and what has completely ruined the honor system in classic.

It wasn’t like this at all in vanilla.

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Both factions have a lot of toxicity if we’re being honest here. No more or less than one another.

There is truth in this, but the cave camping thing is ridiculous. It’s a sure fire way to kill AV, and it’s a horde specific behavior.

They managed to kill at least one realm with this sort of thing, watching them kill a bg seems to be a natural line of progression.

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I dont think that is exactly how it went for most of them, if i can remember the guy who was streaming all the premade videos, all of them just blasted right through, if you got stopped, you just got left behind.

One of them i laughed by you know what off because a bunch of horde came into view and they all started dismounting and they just rode through them, and the guys camera was far enough back that you could watch the now on foot horde guys turning around after them like they were say Hey come back, we’re supposed to fight.

All his vids were like that.

Yes. IF the map changed your ability to kill other players would improve drastically. I approve of this proposal to change the map.

All the av premade discords i have not purged yet are inactive so i call bs on this wole thing.

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It has been said that text is the coldest form of communication. Pretty sure you’re being silly here.

Are you actually implying that aoe grinding shgy=/=skill?

What did someone figure out how to link discord and magically 39 people joined to follow a chosen plan of attack? Good. Both sides could do this. Welcome to mmo’s. Hopefully alliance finds it’s heart to fight.

No really. If the horde cave were moved back… we could meet in the Field of Strife where your ability to hold off 40 horde would be improved. Away from fearing them in to your commanders or archer lines from your bunkers. Just a cold 40 on 40 with no interference. The alliance would start winning often. I believe!

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The games would be far more compelling, for sure.

Paladins?

How about the Dev (Vanila) favorite, SHamman OP class?

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Shamans can not turn invincible and continue influencing large scale fights. Our healers do not share this luxury. They do not wear plate either. They basically give the alliance a free 10 seconds to tear in to horde before our damage even starts to stick.

Indeed, moving the horde cave back wouldn’t change how much better IBGY is compared to SHGY defensively. It would just slightly delay the horde taking SHGY.

The real answer is to randomize starting locations.

So the horde have to kill drek?

Can you elaborate with evidence? I need to exalt an alt.

Paladins > racials. The argument is old and weak and I have no idea how it got parroted so much.

Not until AQ40 and most likely T3/naxx, paladins are fairly weak in pvp due to scaling at the moment, their uses are mostly the same as why you’d bring a retribution paladin, BoF, BoP + dispels, the strong healers right now are priests, good premades with options are not rolling with 3 holy paladins for good reason, everything that I said hitherto.

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Tec then horde shouldnt be able to premade in WSG then… Premades are the way of the game …

Sure why not, or just flip the NPC’s around too.

Either both sides should premade in AV or neither. WSG has both…