Well then they are responsible for the old Alliance and what they did.
I’d like to see proof of this.
People who did that were mocking you. And also just further proves that both sides complain about things.
Yes, it is literally what Anduin said. The Alliance had SOME culpability in all of it. The difference is unlike the Horde, the Alliance didnt all join Arthas or Daelin lock step in their path of destruction until it was too late.
It was someone from the story forum. It was year ago and I am not interested in looking for that post. Regardless, Horde fans complained that void elves were added to the Alliance. That isnt some controversial truth.
No, people complained we got something unique. And yes, this does show both sides complain so your initial triad that somehow wants to paint the Alliance as the complainer faction is just grossly hypocritical.
Isn’t Strath just magically on fire forever
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This would have been ideal. Shared hubs always gave me a “lazy” vibe but as it has become the formula it just feels worse and worse.
We didn’t join them either.
So one person lol. That’s not the Horde throwing a fit about it and quitting.
No that’s not what my reply to them was about. It was literally pointing out you guys complaining too. For far longer even.
Yeah, and the Dead Scar can never be healed ever.
Until it could be.
Don’t forget your BEER goggles.
And the Horde has been complaining because they were the less popular faction, hence why blood elves were added. If you want to be technical about it both sides have been complaining since WoW started.
Like the Horde was all on board while Theramore and Teldrassil burned.
I am sure there were other. Regardless, the Horde is never a fan when the table turns on them points at the arguement about Silvermoon being mostly Horde and how the Horde got salty when we learned its mostly neutral
The horde wasn’t all on board with either of those moments, they had a literally infaction war both times
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Well they were all onboard with it until Sylvanas/Garrosh ultimately turned on the Horde. If these guys were not onboard with it, they should have served those leaders heads on a silver plater to the Alliance and not only turn when it inevitably turned out their leaders didnt have the best of intentions for them.
They literally were not all on board, the split happened the second these events happened
Try not to rewrite history cuz “da horde bad unga bunga”
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Now who is rewriting history? Vol’jin was still supporting Garrosh in pandaria even AFTER Theramore was bombed and only turned on him after Garrosh wanted to play god.
Similarly, Baine et al were all ready to defend Undercity when had they just given Sylvanas to the Alliance at that point and call it quits the Fourth War may not have errupted the way it did.
how about you go back to that old burned tree and be about your own business
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Theramore was a military target, alliance broke the agreement
Also feel free to do the story and learn how Vol’jin went there to see what Garrosh was doing, not to support him
Yea, they should have gone against Sylvanas openly and died, much better plan
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It’s also worth noting that Theramore didn’t happen in a vaccum; horde and alliance cities had been getting leveled for some time by that point with the only real difference WRT Thereamore being the speed and efficacy of the assault.
That having been said, Garrosh’s authority was withering in MoP; his caustic attitude and honorless nature caused the other Horde leaders to pull support for him to the point where the Siege of Orgrimmar was effectively a joint operation.
As to Sylvanas: while her actions at Teldrassil were indeed stupid and self destructive, failure to offer any defense to her or a key city in the Horde would have been suicide for the Horde as an organization. And as Zerde unwittingly pointed out: it was met with shock and horror by a sizable chunk of the horde.
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There was also 0 indication alliance would have stopped at undercity, for all the rest of the horde could guess is they would have went city by city and ended them for good
“Alliance should get Stratholme as a capitol”
And the horde should have access to 2/3 of it 
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Theramore would be as much a military target as Ogrimmar. And no, Theramore did not break the agreement. After Wrath, the Alliance and Horde had an armistice. Which Garrosh broke. In fact, the only reason the Alliance could not destroy the Airship carrying the mana bomb was because Jaina REFUSED to sink the Horde ships outside Theramore’s water because she didnt want to escalate the conflict/wanted to seem like the aggressor.
Garrosh tells Vol’jin what he is doing in Pandaria:
Vol’jin says: The question is, what are WE doin’ here? Yeh bring 'dis war to anudder corner of Azeroth, and I wanna know why.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Your lack of vision is why your people are still primitives, and your lack of loyalty is why I did not summon the Darkspear for this campaign.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Look around you, Vol’jin. This land is rich in resources: wood, stone, iron, fuel. And people.
Garrosh Hellscream says: A show of might on these shores will make the pandaren think twice about joining the Alliance.
Vol’jin says: All dis bloodshed make everyone tink twice ‘bout joinin’ da Horde.
Garrosh Hellscream says: This is the difference between me and you, Vol’jin. I won’t let MY people starve to death in the desert. I will stop at nothing - NOTHING - to ensure a proud and glorious future for the orcs and anyone with the courage to stand with us. Wait here.
Garrosh walks up to Blood Guard Gro’tash to know what’s going on with preparations. For now, he gives Vol’jin a quest…Garrosh Hellscream says: There is something you can do, troll, to demonstrate your value to the Horde. A mission in the heart of this continent.
Vol’jin says: I will go, but only as a witness for my people. Someone gotta keep you in check, Garrosh.
He didnt have any qualms about it until he later found out Garrosh was planning on playing God.
This is the Alliance you are talking about and not the Horde. If all the Alliance wanted to do was wipe out the Horde it would have just killed all the orcs back after Warcraft 2.
Even more so considering Anduin was the one leading the Alliance.
Theramore existed as long as it didn’t supply alliance military aggression, then they supplied that
Alliance broke it lol
“I will go, but only as a witness for my people. Someone gotta keep you in check”
Yep, no qualms at all