According to Ironforge Pro, we went from 60/40 at the end of classic to 58/42 last week to 57/43 A/H this week. I really hope it doesn’t become just another imbalanced PvP server. It’s been fun being on a reasonably balanced server.
I havent made any excuses. You are making wild assumptions about me just because I don’t share your view that Horde deserve to spend an hour in a bg queue to play battlegrounds.
Keep going off on your wild tangent though.
Your excuse was that alliance are more geared than the horde so it’s not equal.
That was literally your excuse.
In reality it is equal. The top players have very little pvp gear and are in mostly raid gear, which is the same for all the brackets.
You somehow think that if you just got more res you would do better and are blaming the lack of res as the reason you’re losing. When infact most players have less than 100 res. You’re losing because you just aren’t that great at pvp.
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Then how do you account for AV being ally dominated on retail…since…FOREVER?
Slightly old thread but there’s this too:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1586951-Dispelling-a-Myth-%E2%80%93-Battleground-Win-Rates
Here’s my dead retail main - been alliance the entire time. You can see my w/l ratios for bgs:
I didn’t premade, I didn’t do anything. Just pugged. In every BG but two I have 50%+ w/l ratio. I’m not even good. So let’s just stop with the sky is falling ridiculousness.
I know we got a few refugees to Deviate from Grob, they wanted a more intimate RP environment.
Dude the top horde players are on top despite being undergeared that doesn’t mean resil isn’t extremely important for many classes.
Im at around 1740 ATM deff not top tier but for sure on the higher end at this point in the season. I notice a significant difference in the tankines of alliance healers and warlocks compared to horde ones. Stacking raid gear as a healer especially a priest or shaman is just asking to get zerged down.
Week two of arena most horde only had a few pieces of pvp gear while the ally I was playing had atleast 2 PC blue set and I’m assuming full off pieces. It wasn’t even possible for a horde healer to have the same thanks to hour plus ques.
This pvp gear disparity leads to a snow ball effect where for the first month alliance teams were getting higher than they should have which allowed them to get actual arena gear weeks sooner creating an even bigger gap.
I do agree that certain classes like rogues and mages can stack PvE gear and do just fine but don’t try to argue that your priest having double the resil and 2k more HP than mine isn’t a huge advantage. Think of all the games your priest lived with 5% when you landed a kill all those games would be losses. Thanks to this you are sitting higher than you should be and now your priest is able to get arena gear faster than mine making the disparity even larger. Sure we could have played better than you and won but that’s not the point two equally skilled priests the one with more pvp gear lives.
Thankfully blizzard is adding horde vs horde soon and we will be able to catch up on gear alliance teams will always have 4 weeks of inflated arena points gain but I think this will even out in the next few months when the alliance teams start dropping down to their actual ratings.
That’s a lot of coping
Thanks for letting me know you have zero counter argument to what I just said. Post a SS of your arena rating to prove me wrong but I’m going to assume you are around 1500 at most sitting in this thread calling other players bad because they can’t win without pvp gear.
Enjoy your arena rating while it lasts but in the next few weeks that rating is going to start sinking and horde healers and locks are going to become much harder to kill for some reason…
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Except we can see the arena ladder on Ironforge Pro and horde have a solid representation so how are long queues holding them back?
I will post a ss of it when I get off work.
You’re just not good at pvp and that’s not a slight at you, most people really over estimate how good they are.
What happens is you look for outside sources to blame as your excuse.
No one has pvp gear, you’re able to rock others just as hard as you get rocked.
If that’s your main you have no excuse, 1 ice lance shatter is over 2k damage on targets with at most 9k hp unless their full plate.
The res isn’t going to matter because then everyone will have it and once again you will be at equal footing in gear just like you are now.
pretty sure all of this will work itself out. If they can make a sweeping change like this, it will of course be reversible. i think same faction bgs are a horrible idea for the infinite reasons listed in numerous forums. there is no way to show this other than letting it play out.
i don’t pvp that much, but when i do, i prefer arenas because its a lot less likely that i get 2v1’d or 5v3’d. the arena gear is nice for pvp and pve because i tank on my druid. to me, bgs are mostly unbalanced match ups. i play on a pve server because 95% of world pvp is 2v1 or worse.
so in the grand scheme of things i don’t care about horde vs horde bgs on an immediate basis. but on the long term, it seems obvious that more and more players will now be incentivized to play horde for better everything, literally. no downsides. and i don’t like that this further reduces the alliance population, making the game less fun for me.
my suggestion, take a balanced approach. enable horde vs horde bgs only for the holiday weekend bgs each week. this should alleviate a good deal of the pressure, and make the best honor farming times good for horde that are crying about it.
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Why tuesday if u dont mind me asking?
Why not suggest merc mode??? Seriously? Tell me the cons to merc mode? none. Tell me the pros to merc mode? No increase of hvh promoting premades even more, each individual still by design has a meaningful choice and seems people dont mind fighting their own faction, everyone keeps their faction balance at least to this point which isnt this the arguement all because of balance between factions for alliance? Worst case scenario i can think of is alliance say 100% quit queueing bgs for whaterver reason and again can be player fixed. Seriously where’s the downfall with MERC MODE ? It solves a plethora of issues plagueing this expansion of wow that people seem to have issues with. Everyones happy.
Edit: used wrong word.
We always had “Faction vs. Faction bgs” queues. Maybe you mean Horde vs. Horde bgs?
Seriously question: did anyone ever get into an Alliance vs. Alliance game during the test weekend???
Van is special to me
i cant wait for same faction bg’s to come back, last weekend was so much fun. The one thing i will say tho is that you don’t need tons of resil to be successful in arena.
Because fixing Horde que times with merc mode only addresses the problem of Horde que times. It doesn’t address faction imbalance that has been a problem before and presently during TBCC. Once lively pvp servers with healthy populations on both sides are turning into effective PvE one faction servers. That’s because Horde have the advantage in every other aspect of the game with the exception of Horde que times for BGs. Alliance are quitting, transferring or rerolling in response to same faction BGs. As Horde, you don’t see what the cons of this are because there are none for you, at least now. You will when you get increased competition in farming from rerolls and there’s no WPvP on your PvP server. TBC is a WPvP expansion. Alliance have parts of the game that are unplayable to them as well due to us being the less populated faction. Faction imbalance and horde ques times both need a solution if we want to retain some type of balance
On my Alliance druid I faced a full ally premade and had an undead mask.
On my Horde it was 6 premades in a row and only 1 was ally.
Fun times all around.
thousands of horde would disagree
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