Alliance is more Immersive

It was very prominent in the WoD appearance of the Warsong Clan. They had a lot of wolf archers.

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No, I agree. I feel they put a lot more attention and details into alliance locations. Which is a shame, because I prefer horde.

They literally make Lady waycrest, an old, bigoted, rotting, corrupted hag who literally eats the flesh of her servants, say this same thing in the waycrest manor dungeon.

Reflect on that a bit maybe, lol.

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Which is, uh, weird if you play as a Forsaken, because zombie horror is your aesthetic. And even weirder if you play as one of the pretty races, like Blood Elves or Nightborne.

Idk, it sounds like she has good tastes.

If you like rotting pig I guess.

Post-cata Westfall is just a big mistake in general. Now-moldy CSI: Miami memes, a hamfisted poverty plot, Defias 2: This Time We’re Stupider, and a giant hole in the ground for no reason… it’s all just bleh. Original Westfall had some balancing issues from being literally the second zone ever built (hi Defias Pillagers) but those could’ve been fixed without gutting it.

The Horde is high fantasy for me.

Just goes to show you, different strokes for different folks.

I kinda agree, Iv spent alot of years playing both factions as my ā€œmainā€ and even tho i typically lean more to Horde these days, Alliance i have always found to have far better quest lines and zones. I cant really put my finger on why but it seems I just tend to enjoy the character development more on that side. Horde zones are also almost always destroyed wastelands of trash lol which is fine sometimes but they just dont hold water when compared to the Alliance ones…for me anyways, im sure some people think the exact opposite which tells me its fine as is.

I actually had the opposite experience when I started. I started as Alliance in the twilight days of Vanilla, and, while I enjoyed it, when I checked out The Horde, I found that it felt like Horde NPCs cared a whole lot more about me. The atmosphere was much less uptight and far more pragmatic. Less ā€œGo do that!ā€ and more ā€œI’m glad you did that and I’m glad you’re alright after it all too.ā€ Stormwind reminds me of a generic Renaissance Festival (not a bad thing, as I like the aesthetic), Ironforge is just incredible, and Darnassus was beautiful, but they didn’t hit me like Horde cities did. Orgrimmar truly felt like a seat of power for the Orcs after their journey from being willing demonic pawns to noble warriors. Thunder Bluff was an excellent refuge for the Tauren that nearly went extinct, and Undercity was suitably dark and sinister like The Forsaken.

The Alliance felt sanctimonious to me and The Horde felt like it was just trying to survive, and that it cared about me. That spirit continued to click with me, even now, where most of the things I loved about Horde have been torn down and people don’t realize we aren’t supposed to be the bad guys. I felt more immersed Horde-side. I still do, but the story has gotten so weak I can’t really get much into either anymore.

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I think Thrall’sHorde fit this theme and was why I favored Horde most of my time in game (Vanilla was almost 50/50)

However, when they added the Forsaken in Vanilla, things felt off to me. Conan would fight the evil necromancers, not align with them - same with the viking noble savages. Can’t be virtuous and align with the undead now can you?

Then they added the ā€œevilā€ Blood Elves and this whole band of misfits thing thing became popular because 2 of the 5 races were misfits that didn’t fit the noble savage archetype.

Like I said, I viewed Thralls Hard like you do, a bunch of chad’s people look up to who fight for sport and competition and are trying to reign in their desire to kill. Than Garrosh said nah we just wanna kill everything and Varian took over as the blood thirsty savage that was try9ing to reign in his darker emotions. We even lost Cairne - probably the character that typifies the noble savage the best.

So we stop Garrosh and we get Vol’Jin and many of us are seriously hoping the Horde goes back to Thrall’s type again only to see him get job’d by random demon #12378 and we get yet another emo ā€œband of misfitā€ leader who wants to kill everyone again.

The Noble Savage RP has no place in the Horde since maybe Wrath. Worgen are better noble savages than Orcs are and my Tauren (especially my leader Baine) are written as completely weak in game (despite Baine being shown to be a boss in some of the books)

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I’ve been horde for over a decade. I’ve had friends reroll alliance and I made honest attempts, I also think ironforge is one of the coolest cities ever created in a video game.

But I cannot stand alliance players. Don’t take it the wrong way, I’m sure it was a majority that simply stood out the times I tried… but there was far too many insufferable know it all types just waiting for any opportunity it seemed to haul out their soapbox, which was no easy feat from way up on that high horse.

I like to be cheeky and ā€œtake the pissā€ to borrow some British slang I like. Little light ribbing and sarcastic joking in a group, and while people laughed when I mocked my own actions, or others, or npcs in general, woe be me if I made even the slighted joke at their expense.

So while horde is more… min/max elitist, and self aggreandizing perhaps, in my experience they are also more generally laid back when it comes to joking about each other as well.

That is, of course, just my personal experience. Anecdotes are hardly indiciative of trends nor should they be taken as rules. Overall I found alliance to be far more inviting than most horde, but it was a little too stiff and impersonal for me. Immersion isn’t just the flow of the game, but the people you interact with as well.

Stormwind is also the most boring, vanilla city I have ever been in. It’s like… cruising a suburb. Everything is bland and the same to a mind numbing degree… Dalaran is my favorite hub it has lots of flavor, without having an obnoxious layout.