Alliance is literally disappearing and that’s not good

I don’t think so. Valor has a season cap. I can barely upgrade anything with Valor anymore. I still try to do my 10x. If anyone did their 10x a week for a couple of weeks, they’d already be capped.

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Cringe. Mondo cringe when 90% of the Horde is Blood elves, which is basically just Alliance lite.

I think Alliance players would trade their demi-god hero characters that do nothing for actual meaningful wins against the Horde. If the Alliance lose their characters, what do they even have left anymore?

It doesn’t matter that Alliance has superweapons like the Lightforged ship that I can’t even remember the name of right now because it’s actually useless. None of that actually does anything to effect the story. Tyrande being empowered by her Goddess and Malfurion almost lost a fight to some dude with a bow being powered by just a tiny bit of the Jailer’s power. Like, who cares how powerful these characters are if they mean literally nothing?

How about we stop this division and pitting nerds against each other like this?

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That’s a different game. Horde vs. Alliance was the whole point, and it can only end in Horde victory. This was always true, as the Alliance has never been as popular as the Horde, and at some point, everyone knew the Horde had to win. This was the most likely way for it to happen - attrition.

There will need to be some more plot written, but eventually, the Alliance needs to fall apart canonically, and the more-peaceful Horde can be there to support the remains of their old enemy, incorporating them into the fold and truly ending the divide. It’s the only way that makes sense.

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Tell me you started this game in 2016 without telling me you started this game in 2016.

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I started this game in 2004, but I’ve been playing WarCraft since WarCraft II. I went back and played Orcs vs. Humans, but it was rough.

Then you’d know the Alliance was the dominant faction until Blood elves were added because the devs wanted Paladins on Horde.

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NO is alot good alans there BAD !

You’re talking about among the casual playerbase. As far as Blizzard developers were concerned, Horde was always the only faction that mattered. The closest you guys came to having a dev in your pocket was Metzen who created and voiced Thrall. XD He tried to be fair, but when he left, he named his new company WarChief studios. The developer band was called Elite Tauren Chieftain whose hit single was “Power of the Horde”, and at the first BlizzCon ever held, our “FOR THE HORDE” yell shook the freakin’ walls.

No, Alliance has never dominated anything. It was just popular among casual preteens when WoW was still a cool thing to try out after school.

The top guilds and top PVPers were Alliance at the time like Horde is now. Devs have always favored Horde, that’s true, Horde were able to get by with just generally overpowered racials. Alliance had a huge number of casuals but there was a bigger community of top end raiders then too.

Of course, then min-max culture hit. There’s a reason why Horde was dominant in Classic, because the racials were just generally better. Turns out the Alliance’s PVE-centric racials didn’t really matter because PVE content was braindead easy and racials were not a requirement, just nolifing world buffs.

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Pandaren always speak truth.

Best race.

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However, I think the reason the story is Alliance-centric is in fact to attempt to keep up Alliance population numbers.

And if the idea that there are similar numbers of Alliance, just they’re more casual, casuals often care more about the story than hardcores. So that at least maintains the faction balance to some degree that way.

You and everyone else like you lose all credibility when you decide to role a cheap knockoff/discount of the most popular horde race :rofl:

Alliance pride :rofl:

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Well, according to https://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/us, Horde has 80,000 more players. I am not going to defend this source, as Blizzard does not provide official stats, so everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

But from I hear, Horde pug for M+, let’s say, is popping. Alliance, on the other hand, 2-3 15’s, 1-2 20+ listed.

At times, especially during NA ~noon, there can be as low as ~12-15 or so keys listed overall.

I’ve seen a number of threads of people sharing their A–>H xfer experience & how hecka better it is on Horde.

Even from RIO top rankings, it’s all mostly horde.

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There all going to ffx14 i know 5 clans went there and new world

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It doesn’t really apply but one alternate explanation for why you don’t see Alliance pugs or queues in groupfinder for content is because the people that ultimately do play Alliance are more social and thus form groups and maintain them well before group finder is needed…

I don’t know how much this applies though because there are a lot of Alliance guilds just looking for people to fill 20 to have a full raid group (this is true of Horde too I suppose)

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It says a lot about “Horde pride” when the most popular Horde race is a former Alliance race.

I mean Brewa is deliberately misconflating the argument here.

He says that because there’s (roughly) equal Horde and Alliance characters (which is true, or was at least when Blizzard said it), that the factions are balanced.

When in reality the issue is Alliance participation in endgame, which is demonstrably lower with an easy example being that the Alliance M+ leaderboard is about 40% smaller than the Horde one (1.6m runs v 2.7m for A v H).

To which he’ll respond that it’s up to the Alliance to fix like the player solution for it being harder to recruit for end-game like the entire issue isn’t that the Alliance are going Horde because the devs refused to step in to fix the situation until it was too late.

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There are realms that are majority Alliance and I heard about a ‘bulk transfer’ soon… that will help maybe.
Although, just like in America, the control of your media, gov’mt and more seem to be resembling a Horde type ‘mind’. Will they make a jail for ‘Alliance’, for chatting the wrong ‘think’? or just playing Alliance who really resembles ‘Red’ in politics? Didn’t use to be. I’ve been alive long enough to know that. Horde/Alliance imbalance seems to resemble the control structure outside of WOW. Just my Opinion. JMO. NO need for fact checking.

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I completely agree. The focus on catering to mythic raiders in SL has made the game worse for every other type of players.

If you look at the playerbase as a pyramid, and the casuals as the foundation…bigger/better/stronger foundation makes for a higher top.

Bigger foundation means more of those highly sought after whales as well.

Focusing on the top makes the foundation rot and the rest collapse ^^

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Honestly it says a lot about the state of player minds that blood elf is as popular a race as it is…

The race that is snide, kinda toxic, hungry for status and arrogant about achievement is the most popular race…yea…

:sweat_smile:

(Disclaimer: I mostly pick it because it is one of the only races that looks good in most slutmogs :eyes: )

I think when M+ was introduced, it was for challenge and a new leveling experience. Seems so often things go toxic…not necessarily because of the ‘content’ but the player base. I ran M+ in Legion, but lost interest very quickly because of toxic players and quitter ‘ninjas’.

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