"Alliance are the Good Guys."

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Another salty Horde post about how they are dissatisfied with their "investments". I approve, this place is quite flavorful.
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Alliance are the good guys because Blizzard will not write them in any other way. There is never any wavering. There is never a doubt.

They had a great chance with Sylvanas burning Teldrassil and forcing Anduin to appease Greymane or the Night Elves. Instead Greyman was like nah this is awesome. We are BffS.
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Honestly, the Alliance are more or less normal people. Some of the stuff they've done is sketch, and they've got some wildcards, but overall they don't really rock the boat too much.

When you compare them to the Horde is when they really start looking like the "good guys". I mostly blame the greenies. They need to start enforcing Green Jesus' teachings from WC3 if they want to avoid MoP 2.0, and avoid ruining their credibility. I really expected better out of you guys. Tsk tsk tsk...
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08/06/2018 12:17 AMPosted by Delivery
when Jaina went on a bloodelf murder spree in Dalaran


That didn't actually happen in the way you think it did.

First off, they were Neutral. They then chose to throw away their neutrality, and with it their rights to stay in Dalaran when they used Dalaran resources to move a WMD to the Horde.

So she ordered them all rounded up. Those who went peacefully were detained then exiled. Those who resisted were dealt with. So it wasn't a murder spree. It was a forceful exile of a traitorous group.
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08/06/2018 12:52 AMPosted by Smalldudee
Because the Alliance didn't burn a tree that symbolises life.


N hope, dun forget the tree also symbolize hope
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If our Warchief was still Thrall or Vol'Jin I would say you were correct and their would be very little difference between the factions on the matter of good and evil. But under Garrosh and now under Sylvanas, the direction the Horde is going is one of evil and aggression.
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08/06/2018 01:04 AMPosted by Nixxlebin
the direction the Horde is going is one of evil and aggression.


Many players on Both sides want something more interesting than that.
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There is good and evil in both factions, I dont see horde as evil and alliance as good. But I do see your warchief as evil as her intentions is to kill all living despite what faction there on, She tried at gilneas with the blight, she burned down the tree, killing so many innocent. Now do I think forsaken are evil, no but then I assume they have free will. But I will say in legion when she did become the warchief it was unsettling as if voljin was tricked, hell her actions in legion were mainly to extend her own existence. Horde fights with pride and honor, Sylvanas fights for her own horrible intentions. You have to question though what is blizzards intention with her, garrosh compared her to the lich king, yet the expansion after he said that he was taken down and looking at her actions what is blizzs end game here?
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08/06/2018 01:10 AMPosted by Verdre
08/06/2018 01:04 AMPosted by Nixxlebin
the direction the Horde is going is one of evil and aggression.


Many players on Both sides want something more interesting than that.


So very true. I really had been hoping the burning was an accident or done by another party. That could have made for an interesting story.
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If you’re horde, horde are the good guys
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08/06/2018 01:37 AMPosted by Biocatalyst
If you’re horde, horde are the good guys

I mean, they do kill their own people, so..
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08/05/2018 11:35 PMPosted by Krakon
Even in Warcraft III, Alliance were always the aggressors and imprisoned the orcs in camps.

Even treating the Blood Elves like crap.


And those "Alliance" are now called "Forsaken" and are the ones still being aggressors. Hmm...
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08/06/2018 01:47 AMPosted by Airc
And those "Alliance" are now called "Forsaken" and are the ones still being aggressors. Hmm...

The majority of the Alliance were in favour of putting the orcs in camps, the only ones who weren't were Gilneas, and Silvermoon. Y'know, their current allies.

And a lot of Horde players conveniently forget the alternative was genocide.
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What reason do you even have to assume moral relativism is even applicable in World of Warcraft? Even if the world is grey, that doesn't mean "there are no morals in which to follow". It means the line between what is right and wrong are often blurred. The Warcraft narrative never tries to paint peace and war as two morally equal options. It never tries to paint cruelty and mercy as being two morally equal options.
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08/06/2018 01:49 AMPosted by Espur
08/06/2018 01:47 AMPosted by Airc
And those "Alliance" are now called "Forsaken" and are the ones still being aggressors. Hmm...

The majority of the Alliance were in favour of putting the orcs in camps, the only ones who weren't were Gilneas, and Silvermoon. Y'know, their current allies.

And a lot of Horde players conveniently forget the alternative was genocide.
The Alliance should have simply set those prisoners of war that had been involved in a war of extermination for years free. I'm sure they would have learned that what they did was wrong.
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08/06/2018 01:55 AMPosted by Teilvia
The Alliance should have simply set those prisoners of war that had been involved in a war of extermination for years free. I'm sure they would have learned that what they did was wrong.

I've never seen any pro-Horde players even address the alternative while raising the big "flag" that are the camps. It's quite disingenuous.
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You can't separate modern human morality from how people see, process and judge the events of the story OP and we're not such vastly different humans that we have differing morals on topics like this.

Germans and Americans both aren't cool with genocides. America has different ways it treats people, or maybe Americans are more optimistic and louder than Europeans or something but they all still share similar morality. The Alliance and the Horde do too, which is why Saurfang is leaving.
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08/05/2018 11:35 PMPosted by Krakon
Even in Warcraft III, Alliance were always the aggressors and imprisoned the orcs in camps.


The Humans defending themselves from green monstrous space aliens were aggressors and should be faulted for imprisoning them rather than executing them?
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08/05/2018 11:34 PMPosted by Wyspers
Like, Jaina could literally open up a McDonald's on the doorstep

10/10
Made me laugh.
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Posted by Krakon
Even in Warcraft III, Alliance were always the aggressors and imprisoned the orcs in camps.


08/06/2018 03:06 AMPosted by Mythlos
The Humans defending themselves from green monstrous space aliens were aggressors and should be faulted for imprisoning them rather than executing them?


I swear some people dont think before they begin typing...