They literally tell you in the book they ALL swore an oath of silence. Meaning they did know about the Dark Ranger(they were chasing one of her Dark Ranger, who hopefully would lead them to Sylvanas). So, apparently if your goal was to paint the forsaken as trustworthly. Well, the oppose seems to be the case here.
It was not done due to her race. It was done because Alleria sensed said orc know something, and apparently she was right.
My personally reading of it is you should be worried, worried that Alleria and Turaylon MAY cross a line. But personally, I donât see that line being crossed in that instances. They needed information and they tried relatively gentle methods first but when the orc lady refused they had no choice but to use a more violent method. The player characters have done WORSE things that for information. Including killing other people. Psychological torture on a character, that apparently did aid know fugitives and refused to give information seems mild in comparison.
This was an instance where Alleria goes too far and the book supports that with Turalyon immediately pointing that out. The whole scene is meant to make you question if Alleria is going off her rocker because thereâs a whole scene after that where Alleria justifies what she did in your comment.
Yes the void told her the woman was lying. But as Turalyon points out, the void often lies. Then thereâs an entire paragraph where itâs hinted Alleria may become a monster in her pursuit of Sylvanas. Sheâs aware that sheâs doing horrific things, and itâs bad.
Sheâs the villian in that scenario. Sheâs aware sheâs the villian.
Actually, Turaylon later agrees the cost was worth it. He specifically says âwhatever the costâ.
We are all villains and heroes of each others stories. What separates each of us is usually a thin flag or allegiance to one thing or another. Alleria is aware she MAY become a monster, that doesnt means she did. There is a very gray area in how the events unfolded and ultimately I hardly blame Alleria for her methods. If the information could have been used to speed up their pursuit of Sylvanas it could potentially have saved a ton of lives.
The cost was their own morality. They are corrupt and immoral characters. Turalyon knew they crossed the line. As I mentioned in my earlier post he says, Though time be short and our task dire, let us not forget who we are, what principles separate us from Sylvanas and her ilk.â â Shadows Rising (p. 89).
But they did forget them. They tossed their precious principles aside and tortured the hell out of innocent refugees and civilians.
They never would have found the ranger. Despite their inhuman torture methods that left their innocent victims near death and insane, they did not get the crucial piece of information that Jaina obtained by showing compassion to the smuggler. They only had six day to reach Zandalar .
And Jaina would have never found out anything at all had they not actually done what they did. Not to mention, knowing it was in six days ultimately did not matter. The point was to chase Sylvanas AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. If anything Jaina was hindering that chase.
I would also point out both Turalyon and Khadgar himself have used torture(it was against a death knight/old Horde but still). Dalaran got us players to torture some mage hunter dude. Heck, the Alliance literally used torture on Scourge to get information.
Innocent? HA! They tortured an orc who did know about the Dark Ranger and her group not only helped said dark ranger but took a vow of silence. I would also point out Alleria actually gave them more food/blankets and more importantly, told them to go somewhere else or they would probably be raided/killed by Witherbark. For as âevilâ as you think Alleria is, trust me when I says there are worse things in Warcraft. And considering both sides harbor literal demon hunters, death knights and warlocks, the line between âgood guys and bad guysâ are razor thin.
âItâs easy to say âwhat we must,â but that is not so, is it?â -Turalyon pg. 91 Shadows Rising.
Turalyon knows this is wrong and still goes along with it anyway. At worst heâs morally corrupt and gets just as much a thrill out of torturing enemies as Alleria does, at best heâs enabling her violence against others out of love. Both options make him an accomplice.
Thereâs also the admission by Alleria that sheâs jealous of Sylvanas because Sylvanas is not bound by morality and Turalyon doesnât try ro convice her that itâs wrong. Alleriaâs secret wish is forgo mortality and give in to her worst self. The irony is not even undead Sylvanas is that evil.
Alleria and Turalyon are both bad news and are equally morally corrupt.
A lack of a moral solution, if it really doesnât exist, doesnât retroactively abolish the fact that someone goes against their morals in the first place. âHaving a line in the sandâ and âanything goesâ are incompatible concepts; if you put them against each other, one of them has to give. For Turalyon and Alleria, this means they compromised on their morals.
Pointing out that others have done worse, or questioning whether or not the victim deserves to be treated fairly, is compromising too.
What does this have to do with anything? The morality of others has nothing to do with their own morality. By his own moral standards, Turalyon knew it was wrong and he did it anyway. Same with Alleria.
I doubt theyâll go quite that far, but have you seen Babylon 5? My moneyâs on the Naaru turning out to be basically the Vorlons: seemingly benevolent, but ultimately too limited in their outlook to be actually helpful. And theyâll be told to go away and stop meddling.
Honestly, it would have made more sense for Alleria or even Vereesa to be the Alliance rep this expansion over Jaina, given the fact that theyâre Sylvanasâ sisters, and would likely know more about her than anyone.
Jainaâs supposed to be running a kingdom, ffs.
Donât get me wrong, I love Jaina, but sheâs heading for WoD/Legion Khadgar levels of overexposure at this rate. Put her on the bench, and let Sylvanasâ actual sisters do the work this expansion. Not to mention, this would have been the perfect time to give Vereesa some character development so that she didnât feel like a pale imitation of her sisters, who only existed to punch out kids for an authorâs self-insert.
I got the feeling they valued a theoretical Anduin and Jaina dynamic more than they did one for sylvanas, as Evil!Anduin is going to be a thing into 9.2, and perhaps until the end of the expansion.