Or make everyone has the same level of power than there’s no second place. With cc its have no hard limit like dps numbers so yes theres will be an 1st and last but you make it fair with the same power of cc
There’ll always be a second place/third place.
Do you genuinely believe there will be a day when people will be like ‘you know what, i love the state of tanks right now?’ Or would you think it’s more likely people will fight over the little bits of cc’s that are left?
Yes over damage/defs but not CC
Yes because there was moments in wow history where every tanks were taken because they were a tank. That wasn’t recently. The point is to get there again. Worse case as cc is bizz just giving the same spell for every tank. I do not want that. They can pull the top down and bottom up. Not where one/two are just brought just because of something they can easily control Than trying to balance damage patterns and levels for all the dps specs.
The point is to level out the cc of all tanks where brewmasters/bears/Bdk/warrior can have reason to be brought beside of an very niche things. Not saying they can’t do high stuff but would be nice if the biggest factor is not just be able to lock down mobs just because thats the most effective way to play.
The caster change they did at the start of TWW was because of Vdh/pally’s power and it did not matter because they can still lock down mobs for so long.
Just remove sigil of silence, disrupting shout, and make avenger’s shield no longer silence or interupt, then all tanks are equal. Prot pally will be the weakest in term of ccs, but it has BoP, sac, off-heal to compensate.
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Is there any spec with 3 interrupts aside from prot paladin?
Then people will headhunt Blood DK next.
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Thank you, this is true in general
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Nah, BDK is fine. It has very weak AoE cc, aka only 1 long cs disorient. Massgrip is no longer unique to BDKs. BDK has no raid buffs so their shorter cd grips are some kind of compensation.
You might think it’s fine just like other people think the other ones you said are fine.
But people will headhunt it next for it’s double grip, AoE silence, 2min mass grip, reduced ranged int cd.
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I don’t see anything BDK has that makes other tanks jealous. It has no raid buffs, double grips are DK’s things, not BDK alone. VDH also have mass grips. Druid also have a scuffed version of massgrip. Outside of grips, it’s technically prot pally, 1 AoE disorient and 1 solo stun.
BDK needs its tanking design thrown out the window.
It’s like the only tank that doesn’t need healing.
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And gets oneshot out of nowhere.
Fyi, VdH also doesn’t need heal.
The ones I’ve played with missed the memo.
Would have a ranged interrupt and self sustain.
I say this as a BDK fan btw. I played it all of this season until they hurt the Hero Talent that I was maining.
I personally don’t see an issue with it. Was pointing out what people will use as ammunition against it. They’ll ask for grip to be removed from all the classes that will have it.
It depends on players’ skills and key levels.
Verbally arguing is useless. You can check m20 logs. VDH is the tank that needs least heal, technically it heals as much as the dmg it takes, while BDK still receives around the same amount of heal from healers as other tanks.
I mean if we are using tank metrics on WCL:
Brews are also pushing higher than Protection Paladin on higher keys.
Looking forward to the buffs!
i would like to remind the court that vdh gotten access to 2 extra aoe cc’s in df
chaos nova became a accessable talent despite enever having it before AND sigil of chains was finally accessable as well since it no longer shares a node with very competative damage/defensive talents (it still does, but not much)
so ya vdh doubled its cc aoe in the span of one patch, we cant go back but we can make sigil of silence and chains share a node to reduce its overal oppressive nature of its cc power.
most cause fotmers suck at vdh while good ones are buried or doing keys way higher than the norm
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That’s not an example of not needing heals though. It’s that tanks can heal a lot but they still need help to live.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zkn3JaKtNYLdGf2D?fight=4&type=healing&by=target
Tank healing done to self: 70%
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DWTqp8gy7j9G4Y6n?fight=12&type=healing&by=target
Tank healing done to self: 63% (Monk, worst.)
So tanks healing themselves a lot is rather normal, and I don’t think anyone argues that brewmasters don’t need healing.
And for blood, cause you know, they suck and we need to look at 19s.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/amZnp9bjzkRLCgKX?fight=16&type=healing&by=target
Healing done to self: 85%.
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you know pally doing higher keys than blood is that reason ccs although the weaker points
raiderio/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-tww-2/world/paladin/tank
That’s not how you look at logs. Tanks have different HPS and DTPS (damage taken per second), so the gap 15% self-heal by a BDK is as large as 50% self-heal by a warrior.
Now, let’s take a look at your own logs again.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zkn3JaKtNYLdGf2D?fight=4&type=healing&by=target - VDH
1,774,351.2 hps - 2,303,254.1 DTPS, around need 530k hps from healer
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DWTqp8gy7j9G4Y6n?fight=12&type=healing - Brew
1,816,513.2 hps - 2,802,398.9 DTPS, roughly 1m hps from healer
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/amZnp9bjzkRLCgKX?fight=16&type=healing - BDK
3,158,758.9 hps - 3,657,933.0 DTPS. need 500k hps from healer.
As you see both BDK and VDH need around the same amount of healing from healers. The only difference is VDH was tanking Priory 20, and BDK was tanking key 19.
Now this is a log of a VDH in Priory 19
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xHKr2MF93P6NbTnp?fight=1&type=damage-taken
1,541,834.0 hps - 1,923,343.5 DTPS, 380k healing from the healer.
Now, tell me what tank needs the least support from healers again ?
Bonus: Gdruid Priory 19
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hVp1Zm7kWPQ382LF?fight=16&type=healing
1,736,997.5 hps - 2,249,573.6 DTPS, 500k gap. Exactly the same as your BDK in Priory 19.