After the classic content is all released

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No offense but a Wrath server probably out does them all. In every poll Wrath comes out on top as the most favored. For a ton of old school players it was their peak of being able to do anything, and it also had a ton of new players that came in to replace some vets that left.

I’m looking forward to Classic, but my friends and I would be off to a Wrath server as fast as they could make it. Probably the same for TBC.

Wrath was the start of some future problems, but most of those issues were compounded greatly by future decisions.

That said, let’s worry about Classic and see how it goes before we start worrying about what comes after Naxx.

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The whole premise that players will run out of things to do is so ridiculous, and spoken by people who don’t understand how Vanilla works.

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Yes, hence my last point.
People are ok with it, they redo or relevel.
But would they do it for 15 bucks a month?
Forever?
It’s gonna go down, quite heavily.
And this is what happens, the big main server of these has an ok amount of people but only in one realm
The other servers are basically dead.
With the 15 a month it’s not even gonna reach that I presume, would they really keep the whole thing for 8kish players?

Now add in the factor that they’re forced to keep paying if they want to keep playing.

I’ve been a hardcore no changes, vanilla only guy for years, but there’s just not a lot of possibilities.
I believe the best they could do is make some realms, depending on population, remain classic, make free transfer/character copies and progress the rest.

People hear “new content” and they go OH MY GOD NO THEYRE GONNA ADD LFR THEYRE GONNA KILL THE GAME THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING IT AGAIN
RS already proved this is a great move, the community is the same, the game is the same, it’s just even better than classic rs.

When people say classic+, they say raids, not the same kind of progression, a whole new opportunity for wow to do what it had to do to begin with, azshara crater battleground, karazhan crypts, hyjal/emerald drea, that weird island/snail thing, etc.
This doesn’t even quite counts as new content, it was planned BACK IN VANILLA.
It wouldn’t be a new game, it would simply be a new classic patch, like nothing changed, patch 1.14 releases emerald dream and everything keeps going like vanilla never ended.

It’s the most profitable option, lots of people want it, it gives a lot of room for the warcraft IP to breathe.
If they truly want to, they could even take classic+ as the time line for things such as a possible wc4 and what not.
There’s so many possibilities with it I don’t see blizz not taking.

I’m sorry to the people that keep being in denial but the fact they haven’t mentioned this and the whole patch 1.13 thing truly makes me believe they’re already tinkering with the idea.
As I said earlier, the population wouldn’t be that high for people that want to keep replay it forever, I would be one of those that would enjoy some twinks.
Hence why making a couple or so transferable/copied realms for classic while the majority goes ahead is by far the perfect solution.

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hmm… I think you all need to drop the “burning crusade” thing, thats not why I posted this and I believe some of you are missing the point. just for a minute pretend that “BC” was never ever ever ever thought about or any other expack, like any of them, ever, at all.

vanilla had content that was supposed to be in the actual game eventually, keep everything in azeroth at level 60, don’t go past that.
for everyone that played vanilla, we seen throughout the world, instance portals, doors that didn’t go anywhere, lore books that told stories about the world, and places that where in it, that’s what I’m talking about.

blizzard had 2 choices, make an expack, or keep developing the original game, I’m just saying do the latter, nothing game breaking, no pandas, no one button i win mode, just adventure and lore.

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Except wrath would appeal mostly to people still playing.

You want to know why wrath does so well in the polls? Because they are targetted at active players.

If you polled people who stopped playing i bet the result is diffeerent.

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Invalidating and replacing previous content is inherently game breaking. And it’s authenticity breaking. Vanilla means Vanilla. Not Vanilla+.

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And we’re telling you that adding content to classic would invalidate the experience for those that just want an authentic vanilla wow.

You would chase subs away from vanilla.

Where as making burning crusade servers and wrath servers while leaving vanilla alone would further bring more subs in.

Furthermore i refer you to my earlier post[quote=“Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel, post:40, topic:142590, full:true”]
Op what might make people more receptive to your idea is if you wait until people have actually had a chance to enjoy classic first.

Let me put it in perspective.

You have a group of people who enjoyed game x.
Over the years game x was changed by other people into something so different that it was now game y and not game x anymore.
The group that loved game x campaigned hard to get game x remade and eventually the developer acquiesced.
And before the fans of game x even got a chance to enjoy the game people are already talking about changing it on them.

Think about that for a few minutes.
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God no it feels like you people don’t remember wrath.

You remember ulduar and maybe icc.
But you forget toc, you forget all the content they scrapped, you forget that the entire launch of wrath was a RECYCLED raid and recycled dragon models in a single room.
You forget death knights and paladins being overpowered to high heaven.
People sitting in dalaran doing nothing or doing mammoth trains because the game was so boring and you already hit your weekly emblem quest and your daily heroic.
Being able to gear up for icc just by running some forge of souls or pit of saron in a couple days.
Dailies and dailies for rep for cosmetic items.

Reminds you of anything?
Classic can’t be replicated, wrath is basically just modern wow with an icy coat of paint
BC is the middle point and could guarantee a classic version, but surely not for wrath

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Wrath was the start of homogenization, easy mode aoe tank and spank dungeons, LFD…

Agreed completely.
Wrath wasn’t thr last of the big 3. Wrath was the start of modern wow.

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No offense in return, but aside from story and Ulduar it was an easy mode expansion. I remember vividly people being so bored and complaining about how easy Tier 7, Tier 9 and ICC are and that joke of a raid at the end Ruby Sanctum.

Story si, muy bueno five stars. Difficulty and gameplay, no bueno way too easy.

Some classes probably liked it because they were overpowered for once. Paladins, Druids, Death Knights etc. Otherwise it was the faceroll expansion, which sucks because it had a lot going for it.

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It introduced LFD, AoE tank and spank dungeons, rewards for doing every little thing, easy reputation grinding, homogenization, and yeah outside of ulduar and icc (story only), and the story, wrath was a joke.

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Because it’s not a case of them having completed content that was made in 2004 and not added for some mysterious reason. If they add anything, they’ll be writing it, with their current staff. If they had vague plans of “and we’ll have something with Karazhan”…anything they added would still either be like Karazhan from Burning Crusade, or like Return to Karazhan from later, or something new, and you can see their new content in Battle for Azeroth right now.

If you think the game will inevitably become stale, then stop playing it when it does. Don’t take it away from people who don’t find it stale.

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I think vharaz is the only person that actually knows what I’m talking about, everyone else seems to be doing a chicken little impression, take the horse blinders off and take a minute to think…

there was content that was supposed to be in vanilla, supposed to be put into a patch, SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN THE GAME!

like azshara, it was suppose to have quests, and a battle ground and CONTENT! in vanilla it was a dead zone with NOTHING in it, they scraped their plans before launch because it wouldnt be ready in time, so they where going to add it in a patch.

you want to play vanilla - classic, like it was before the dark portal was opened… I get that, I want to play it too, I want to play it REALLY REALLY BAD, BUT! in 4 years, or 5, or what ever, people are going to get borde of the game because ALL the content is finished, doing endless nax runs is not a viable argument. we will need new content to keep the player base alive, its inevitable that the player base will wane, and when it does blizzard might look at it and say “this isnt profitable anymore maybe we should shut the server down”

and then no more classic… (note this is obviously hypothetically)

another zone to quest in is absolutely nothing into the game as it was suppose to be in the game originally, not saying we need the stupid “CSI” quest line from westfall in there.

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Ya’ll saying that WotLK was the start of many issues and I agree completely. The tail end of Wrath is when I first began to question why I played WoW and lead to my first “extended break” in early Cataclysm. I enjoyed early WotLK because it was my first expansion experience having started playing in early TBC.

Hence why I think TBC servers could do amazingly well as a half-way between Classic and Modern, with WotLK basically just being “Diet Retail”. WotLK did have the best story in all of WoW, though, where as TBC’s story was a god awful mess but I think hit the sweet spot in gameplay and balance.

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How many subs are gonna remain after the content is gone?
Let’s look at the numbers we already have!
These illegal, private servers barely get one active realm, and only in one main server.
And it’s free
Now imagine if they have to pay, on a content drought.
Blizz is not doing this out of them being kind and caring, they’re doing it because they see potential and profit, a couple years ago it was “you think you do but you don’t”

Now picture this small number, let’s say 15k to account for the new waves and what not.
2-5 realms? whatever is needed
Create some classic realms, just what’s needed, now that the content is released it will only need minor maintenance and minor work so no wasted resources.
The rest, including the servers, gets patch 1.14
Nothing changes, no lfr, no dungeon finder, no cross realm crap, just a bg release, crater of aszhara.
Then comes 1.15 with some minor buffs to enhancement in pve, maybe feral dps?
All in the vein of the original game philosophy, nothing changes, vanilla continued, it just got a new patch, just like wc3 got patches years upon years later.

It’s called classic.
For the fyi, it’s already not exact vanilla and it won’t be.
Classic is a game philosophy, a set of design rules and a ruleset devs must follow to preserve an alive, thriving world that rewards effort.
Just like OSRS wasn’t old school forever, classic is gonna be big enough that they can easily save some completely classic servers while making the majority move forward but still playing the same classic game.

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No.

Stop talking and listen. You don’t have the right to tell everyone here that we think we want what we want, but we don’t, we actually want what you want.

Feel free to keep right on repeating it, but you’re only going to get increasingly hostile replies. And it will be 100% your own fault.

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I know that I only have a few posts but to be honest with you I never had a reason to voice an opinion on the forums until recently. To be COMPLETELY honest with you I didn’t even really know about the forums until I started doing research about classic…

Since the announcement the thought in the back of my mind was that I really really hope that we get to see classic TBC servers. Don’t get me wrong I love vanilla content and I am super excited for it, but as far as my feelings towards the OP’s post, I think the best move for blizzard is to create additional TBC realms. Nothing that affects the classic vanilla realms. Keeping those 100% static for those who never want to leave them. While offering the same benefits to those who would like to play a static TBC experience. I know that the popular argument is that if you want content post vanilla you can play retail but honestly, I cannot explain how horribly incorrect that statement is.

Sure, outlands is there. It’s untouched (for the most part) un-updated, and unchanged.
But the roles of the characters, the difficulty, and the fulfillment from actually having to try in order to clear the content is all missing. I shouldn’t be able to strole into hellfire ramparts as a level 55 and tank/max dps it as a paladin in welfare blues from running other dungeons that were once considered difficult.

The thing is, I would love to have a static realm with TBC talent trees, spells, class structure, and and understanding that the world is what we all make of it.

Don’t get me wrong this is why I get excited about classic as well, but I wanted to answer the OP in the most honest way possible, and this is something that I have wanted to express since the original classic announcement.

Again I don’t mean to offend or annoy anyone when discussing “what comes after” but when dreaming about the concept of after classic… TBC is the direction I hope Blizzard would take. I hope you can understand that there are individuals out there that feel as strongly about The Burning Crusade as most of you guys feel about the original World of Warcraft.

Even if I never get to play through TBC again I just want to reiterate how excited I am to get to share the original world with you folks.

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WE KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
we’ve seen this topic before.

This isn’t about going back to vanilla and adding what they missed.
This is about going back to vanilla.

Also again. The whole reason people want vanilla is because we liked it and can’t play it because it changed.

And yet here you are, asking to change vanilla before we even get a chance to play it. Think about that for a few minutes.

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I think a lot of people misremember because the big majority of these systems were introduced in TBC.

Arenas and flying killed world pvp, the contested zone thing never did much.
Servers start fragmenting hard into being dominated by one side only.
Believe or not, a proto version of LFD was already in tbc, just wasn’t used much, but it was born in tbc with the LFG tool which looked almost exactly as LFD.
Epic gear no longer being epic, tbc was the start of the term called “welfare loot”
Gear being redeemable by using tokens, gained by doing daily heroic…rings a bell?
Player interaction and socialization lowered as world pvp is almost gone, everyone is just summoned, quests are easier, etc.
Factions grind for cosmetic things
You’re now the “hero”, you’re the center of attention, you’re the chosen by naaru, etc.
People doing nothing in shattrah the lag capital
Lore starts being butchered as they start using characters as loot pinatas and completely ruin their lore.
List keeps going and going.

They got worse in wrath, but these STARTED in tbc, you just didn’t noticed until it was too late and we took it like the majority of people, “wow this is easier now!”

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True, but why ask for this now?

Classic needs to be a home run or there is now way this will happen. Activision or somebody with pull will shut it down long before that.

Those eras of the game have nowhere near the following that Vanilla does. Even if I agree that revamped, reworked, retuned versions of it would be super fun… Classic came into being because it is clearly the version of the game the most ex-WoW players, hardcore players, want to play. We can all thank their relentless effort to play a better more authentic Vanilla WoW for this even happening…

Thats why I think the game needs to marinate on Blizzard servers as a live game for a bit before these discussions make any sense. The guys on the Classic team are completely pre-occupied with delivering an authentic Classic on day one the best they can. Why even bring up Wrath at this point?