Affliction (The War Within Alpha Talent Rework)

[Kaorinite-detheroc]

This felt miles ahead of the current spec.

[Zyyras-sargeras]

I find it particularly amusing since Demo already has a better version of UA stacking with HoG and wild imps.

I guess since they’re little pals who stand next to you instead of being a debuff on the target, people don’t make the connection.

[Snozex-area-52]

@Kaorinite-detheroc

This felt miles ahead of the current spec.

Except it didn’t. It was only good because it broken OP

People complain about bloat and then ask for a playstyle that’s even worse with bloat because they don’t actually understand either.

Boggles my mind.

[Snozex-area-52]

@Zyyras-sargeras

I find it particularly amusing since Demo already has a better version of UA stacking with HoG and wild imps.

I guess since they’re little pals who stand next to you instead of being a debuff on the target, people don’t make the connection.

I mean most people who ask for UA don’t seem all there to begin with lol.

“But demo is pet based not dot based!”

[Bread-boulderfist]

Seems to really refute your guys whole argument of “Legion Aff couldn’t possibly work in the modern WoW” if you’re also saying Demo is basically the same thing.

[Fabul-thrall]

I’ll settle with a middle ground since the community is well divided: JUST LET US CHOOSE MR or UA as our spender. Don’t force us into MR and we won’t ask for you to be forced into UA either. Lets compromise bliz please

[Zyyras-sargeras]

A single aspect of demo works similarly.

I’ve never been against a UA spender, but it would require much larger changes to the rest of the spec to work.

Deciding to go with rapture is the way they went, and it’s looking good.

[Ezallen-malganis]

At the end of the day, there’s a reason Affliction is the least played spec in the game, even under Survival hunters going by current stats.

[Bread-boulderfist]

It must be because we’re all too stupid to understand how fun MR is!

[Snozex-area-52]

@Ezallen-malganis

At the end of the day, there’s a reason Affliction is the least played spec in the game

Because anyone that’s serious is playing demo/Destro

And considering affliction runs different stats haste/mastery versus crit/vers for demo and Destro.

Affliction is playable. In fact it was the best performing spec on mythic Tindral.

@Ezallen-malganis

even under Survival hunters going by current stats.

Again see above.

It’s getting played by people who one trick or are on Tindral.

[Snozex-area-52]

@Bread-boulderfist

It must be because we’re all too stupid to understand how fun MR is!

I mean when you constantly can’t seem to understand WHY MR is there.

I never said anything is fun as fun is subjective and you don’t tune or design a class around it.

[Donerick-stormrage]

How is Summoners Embrace not going to be the go to over GoSac? These two talents are not even close to each other in power. Demonic Tactics also doesn’t buff GoSac like the other demon talents in the class tree do.

If I am forced to use demons again to stay competitive I am personally going to call this rework a failure and play something else.

Edit: 3 points in Drain Life talents being required (yes I know 1 buffs some dots and MR by 5% in execute) for Soul Rot in ST is terrible. Especially now that Grim Feast is gone. ID either needs to be 1 point or just remove it. Its going to cause so much friction with Soul Harvester gameplay.

[Angerforge-aggramar]

@Wozen-boulderfist

And again, I’d rather it be completely unviable in mplus and raiding and instead be well designed (aka not have MR)

This is an absolute wild take. You’d rather the spec be completely unplayable than have a button you don’t like? That is crazy.

[Seres-whisperwind]

There are still too many talents in the spec tree, particularly at the top. With 14 available at the top there will always be a hard dichotomy between single target and multi target builds. If the goal is to have builds that don’t feel useless at either single target or multi target then they’ll need to either make some of the multi target tools baseline or change the routing and gating so that single target builds are forced to pick up multi target talents and vice versa.

[Seres-whisperwind]

@Angerforge-aggramar

This is an absolute wild take. You’d rather the spec be completely unplayable than have a button you don’t like? That is crazy.

Definitely wild. Maybe he strictly pvps.

[Wartrials-aerie-peak]

The fact that they are leaning into Rapture makes me very worried about affliction. Seed is the most fun part about Aff AOE, not to mention a wow classic. I understand it has its issues but maybe the solution is in shard gen or just lack of talents to make it more interesting. Please do not relegate seed to just a way to apply corruption. Rapture needs to go or be reworked. I dont know if I’ve ever heard anyone prefers its introduction.

[Greaterfade-stormrage]

Would not be sad to see MR go. Am sad over soul swap if its gone.

[Korgull-sargeras]

They might as well delete Aff as a spec if they keep MR. God I hate that spell so much. It’s crazy how much they want to keep that considering that is the reason so many people don’t play it.

[Korgull-sargeras]

Go troll somewhere else please.

[Snozex-area-52]

Not trolling.

Just because you cant refute the points im making doesnt make me a troll.