Affix System Updates in The War Within

Greetings, dungeoneers!

This week’s Beta update includes major changes to the Mythic Keystone affix system in
The War Within, based on player feedback. Our primary goal with these updates is to refine the Mythic+ experience to better serve a diverse playerbase.

Previously, we approached Mythic Keystones with a one-size-fits-all approach, which proved challenging in striking the right balance and limited our design space.

In this new build, you will see significant shifts in our design philosophy. We recognize the importance of weekly variety for those progressing through the system. However, for players pushing high keys, this variance has sometimes felt restrictive. We’ve also heard your feedback about wanting affixes with both positive and negative effects, as well as a desire for thematic nods similar to past affixes.

This update to the affix system aims to meet those diverse expectations. We’re maintaining the core goals of our last round of changes, but without the limitations of a one-size-fits-all approach. This flexibility allows us to craft a more tailored experience for each of the different playstyles.

Let’s dive into the revamped affix system!

Affix Update Overview

We’re reducing the total number of mechanical affixes on a keystone for players progressing through the system from two to one.

  • The following affixes are being retired for The War Within:
    • Sanguine
    • Bolstering
    • Raging
    • Bursting
  • We’ve heard feedback that applying bonuses unevenly to players feels exclusionary regardless of overall impact. Affixes that were part of the last Mythic Keystone test will no longer apply to keystones:
    • Reckless
    • Focused
    • Attuned
    • Thorned
  • Our one bucket of active affixes for players progressing through the system offers variety along with positive effects for executing these affixes that apply more evenly.
  • We’re reintroducing thematic elements to affixes by invoking Xal’atath in Mythic Keystones with her own set of affixes.
  • We’re utilizing passive affixes to signpost expected increases in player mastery and commensurate rewards as players progress through the Mythic Keystone system.
  • We’re aiming to eliminate “push weeks” by providing a consistent challenge that focuses solely on the dungeon, for players seeking to advance deeper into the Mythic Keystone system for scores and titles.

New Affixes

Starting at keystone level +2, Xal’atath herself will manifest in dungeons, introducing a rotation of affixes under the banner of “Xal’atath’s Bargain.” These affixes not only seek to empower the dungeon’s denizens, but also grant players the opportunity to harness their effects.

For our first test this week, we will have two Xal’atath’s Bargain affixes available. One affix is an event that players must deal with periodically while the other affix is a passive effect on creatures throughout the dungeon.

  • Xal’atath’s Bargain: Ascendant
    • While in combat, Xal’atath rains down orbs of cosmic energy that attempt to empower nearby enemies, increasing their Haste and Movement speed. If players disrupt these orbs, they claim this effect for themselves.
  • Xal’atath’s Bargain: Frenzied
    • Non-boss enemies become frenzied at 30% health remaining, increasing their Haste by 40%, but increasing their damage taken by 20%.
  • Starting at keystone level +7, a new affix, Challenger’s Peril, directly affects the dungeon timer. This affix emphasizes precise play and strategic execution, placing
    greater risk on players’ decisions.
    • Challenger’s Peril - Dying subtracts 15 seconds from time remaining rather than 5 seconds.
  • Starting at keystone level +12, a new affix replaces the “Xal’atath’s Bargain” affixes. At this level, Xal’atath revokes her bargains, empowering dungeon creatures with a 20% increase in health and damage.
    • Xal’atath’s Guile - Xal’atath betrays players, revoking her bargains and increasing the health and damage of enemies by 20%.

Fortified and Tyrannical

Fortified and Tyrannical now serve as milestone affixes that alternate between keystone levels +4 and +10 on a weekly rotation. We feel this provides us with clearer points in the system where increases in difficulty and rewards occur. This also affords more distinction between key levels for players progressing through the system and a consistent week-to-week experience for players progressing deeper into the Mythic Keystone system.

Keystone System Summary

Here are examples of what keystones look like under this new model.

  • Keystone levels +2 through +11 have the following affixes:
    • +2 Xal’atath’s Bargain affixes appear on a weekly rotation.
    • +4 Fortified or Tyrannical is active, alternating on a weekly rotation.
    • +7 Challenger’s Peril is active on all keystones.
    • +10 Tyrannical and Fortified are active.
      • The one that was not active at +4 that week becomes active at +10.
  • From keystone level +12 and up, keystones have the following affixes:
    • Fortified
    • Challenger’s Peril
    • Tyrannical
    • Xal’atath’s Guile replaces the weekly Xal’atath’s Bargain affix.

Dungeon Score

We’re evaluating how dungeon scores are granted under this new model.

We believe these changes along with our Heroic and Mythic dungeon changes provide players with ways to engage with dungeons in a setting they prefer. This is a fresh look at Mythic+ and we look forward to your feedback and continuing discussions on these affixes and overall system changes.

We’ll see you in dungeons!

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Dump Tyrranical and Fortified and you have something here

No one wants anything to do with Fort plus the betrayal

Or 6 minute boss fights with Tyrranical

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Much better solution from my pov. Now it’s probably up to the tuning of Fortified and Tyrannical.

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so… +10 will have both tyrannical and fort?
I’m confused.

Alright, this is more like it!
Seasonal flavor affix? Check.
Worst affixes gone? Check.
An affix that penalizes failure but doesnt have gross overlaps with dungeon mechs? W.
This is great IMO.

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Yes, it means that if you are doing +10 or higher you have both no matter the week, so your runs will all be the same and predictable

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So… at a +12 everything is going to do ~50% more damage, have ~50% more hp and stil scale with key level…

Isnt this going to make the “it’s not the timer is the damage that keeps you from pushing” problem waaaayyy worse?

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Tuning should be much easier, and also we can at least consistently plan/improve week after week this way.

I don’t LOVE it, still wish tyrann/fort would die, but this is MUCH better than a few weeks ago.

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I think this is an excellent change and I’m glad we are trading regular rotating affixes for a seasonal affix.

However my question is will the gearing/vault be the same as it is currently? And will dungeon portals be awarded at +10 still?

Will seasonal milestones of 2000 (mount) and 2500 (Mythic Tier Glow for all non Mythic tier sets) still be obtainable by doing all of the keys on +9?

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Soo wait +10 you could have a key thats both Fortified as well as tyrannical?

This sounds horrible or is horribly worded.

Think most players despise tyrannical now your making it with fortified?!?

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Alright so keys higher than M+ is going to be destructively hard, okay.
I don’t want to see any spec who can’t do 800k+ single target in my group, it’s basically gonna be a rush

These are awesome changes

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friendship has ended with arena

now m+ is my new best friend

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I like most of the post, but why does Ascendant buff haste specifically instead of your highest secondary stat (or a chosen stat like in s4 of shadowlands)? This seems like something that would favor haste-hungry specs more than others, especially in season 1 when stats are still low.

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The numbers on Fort and Ty need to come way down or this just exacerbates the one-shot issue at earlier key levels than before. Like I get you’re trying to say “12 is where you should be pushing to push instead of pushing for gear” with this but it’s still not helping the one-shot problem.

So that means every M+ affix is gone now and this is how every key will be?

Another chunker updates,

Removing Fort and Tyrannical
They are just not fun, and make lieutenant walls, or boss walls, and does nothing else. Just not fun.

I want to be clear - the rest of the changes are a huge step forward, GG, but go all the way, scale trash and bosses and remove fort and tyra completely. Having both at +10 would just be depressing. I don’t know nor have I seen anyone ever say that Fort and Tyra were a milestone or needed to provide variety, seasonals do that WAY better.

THANK YOU

Seasonals, I’m more than ok with that! Let’s go!!!

Making push keys stable will be an excellent change, well done.

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Isn’t this buffing key depletion, rather than removing it like everyone wanted?!

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Maybe don’t die?

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