Addressing the Mage Tower fallout

What is the point of using this lie “accessible”?

The mage tower is accessible to anyone. You don’t need anyone else to invite you, you can attempt it any time you want.

What you mean is that you want it to be easier. Just say that, stop being dishonest.

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Lol. There be a lotta rage in this thread :joy:.

I’m not advocating for it, but that is what accessible means in this context. It’s less dishonest that you not knowing what the word means, with due respect.

Quite odd when asking for more clarity, consistency in design and implementation seems to be a rather common benefit.

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That’s not what “accessible” means in any context.

People use “accessible” when talking about group content because you literally have to have other people invite you to a group in order to even attempt this content. Over time this phrasing has been so overused that people have started to confuse “accessible” with “easy”.

Mage tower is infinitely accessible. Anyone can go attempt it at any time they want. The person I was replying to doesn’t want it to be more accessible. They want it to be easier.

Accessible means accessible, ie, also relates to relative success.

It’s why wheelchair ramps are a form of accessibility. Or you know, we could use the WoW forum method of : “Eh, you can crawl up the stairs and drag your wheel chair up, put in the effort noob, git gud, stairs are fine”. Or the other one the WoW forums love : “Not all business need to sell to everyone, just go to some other shop that doesn’t even sell what you want if you need a ramp so badly”.

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I’m arguing against this false narrative that Blizzard wasn’t clear about the mage tower challenge. They said it was a challenge and it is.

There’s no miscommunication there. If you expected a CHALLENGE to be easy, that’s on you.

The 3% thing is FALSE. They did not look at all wow subs and get a pull from that Stop spreading fake news. It’s as credible as determining wow pop from DBM addon users.

There is more than a single definition and usage for the term accessible… but quite pointless to get twisted over a word, so let’s go with easier if it suits you. Accessible is simply the more neutral way to convey the message without attaching the negative connotations of using the term “easy”, which you no doubt intend to, so as to not invoke unnecessary emotional responses.

No, wheelchair ramps are a form of accessibility because “accessible” literally means “able to be entered”. So a wheelchair ramp makes the place the ramp leads to “accessible”.

You can enter (and therefore attempt) mage tower any time. It is already perfectly accessible.

Mage tower was and is a joke right now. Is just another system for “get guud” basement dwellers.

I never like something where you have to try it 100 times simply because that late klick or action lagging for microsecond and you die. All other games tending to create a game where you have fun regardless are you solo or group player, and WoW is still pleasing meta playerbase and “get guud” basement dwellers

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There really isn’t though. The meaning of accessible is pretty distinct.

“Accessible” means something or something that can be easily entered or approached.

Never in the history of the world has “accessible” meant “guaranteed success”.

Good god, people really are that hung up over that. I’ve changed that point and it has little to no impact on the message of the post.

I think you’ve answered yourself.

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You can enter without a ramp. It’ll be massively more effort to do so. Keyword : effort. Reducing effort is a form of accessibility.

You can zone into Mythic too. But if you want your beer league Sunday raid to succeed, might want to set it to normal instead or else you’ll find most of your players will just leave early and never come back.

Let’s go with “easier” because “easier” is what the OP is asking for. Accessibility has already been achieved.

I am the OP. I did not ask for an easier Mage Tower. Lol.

You incorrectly assume I was/am annoyed.

You’re still missing the point of the meaning of “accessible”.

If the ramp is leading to the courthouse, it makes the courthouse “accessible”. But that doesn’t guarantee you’ll win your court case.

What people are asking for is not to make the mage tower “accessible”, they want better chances of victory while already inside the mage tower. That has nothing at all to do with accessibility, it’s about ease/difficulty, which are 2 very distinct concepts.

When people generally talk about “accessibility” in WoW, they are talking about the steps required to even attempt the content, which in a raiding context applies to things like attunements, or even just assembling enough players to attempt the content. It’s completely meaningless in the context of a solo game activity which has no prerequisites to enter.

If you really want to get pedantic, what dictionary do you with to reference for the term accessible? Cambridge, Oxford? Merriam-Webster? All lists multiple usage and definitions for the term. I think you can figure out which is invoked in this context. Have fun.

What you’re doing is a prime example of “Source: trust me bro”.

The current difficulty level is intended. If it wasn’t, Blizzard would have continued to nerf it.

After the first nerfs, they haven’t touched it.

I think you are and I’ve given you an example as to why.

Your definition is strict and reductive to try and make some weird point of “you can zone in it’s fine”, but that’s ludicrous and dismissive of the actual issues of balance and tuning the content suffers from.

Is Mage Tower “accessible” by your definition to Havoc Demon Hunters ? Sure it is. Is it Accessible according to the wider definition actual people use ? No. Because Demon Hunters take around double the damage an Arms Warrior does. They have to put in massively more effort and play much more perfectly to achieve the same result.

Basically, Demon Hunters are put in a wheelchair and given no accessibility ramp and told to “git gud”. Arms Warrior just casually use a jet pack to get up the stairs.

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