The logic is on the server. The discussion is almost all about impacts of server side changes.
But I also probably am in the camp that Era can have it’s own client and that would also very rarely need to be updated.
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try not using 400 addons to play the game
I don’t think this is correct. First, the logic should exist in both places. Processed on the client side and verified on the server side. This is how most netcode should function. If everything was processed server side you could get weird situations where what happens on your screen doesn’t line up with what happens with your client (and would be why spell batching works like it did in original vanilla and launch Classic).
But even further from this, API calls and functions should also be client side in a lot of cases, making calls to the files and data from the client, especially UI addons. Any unit frames addon should be easily a client side only addon.
If they didnt update it, you’d have to change clients to play hardcore or SoD. Thats obviously bad for the user.
Exactly this. I have literal /days of playtime setting up customized ability icon visibility conditionals which help me execute my rotation in a myriad of different situations.
Then blizz comes in with what might appear to some as a ‘small tweak to version change’ and it completely obliterates all of the time many players have put in to setting up UI.
The only people who seem to be making the case that the version HAS to continually change, are people who coincidentally seem to not recognize the travesties of SoD affecting era in any way in the first place.
I am aware and understand the reasons you are providing for WHY the version changes are happening.
My argument is that none of this should be occurring in the first place.
As Horace said, the majority were going to be happy with a standing/perma 1.12 that blizz would leave and just forget about other than to keep it online.
We should have only had patches up to phase 6 when Naxx was released, then Era is complete and there’s nothing left to patch in. And no need to bork people’s addons.
You can make the argument that you’re okay with SoD affecting era’s version, but I just flat disagree if that’s the point you’re making.
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tl:dr
“I’m gonna cry b/c I want to use 3rd party software and then blame the developer of the game when that software doesn’t function properly.”
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Sounds like you really enjoy doing this.
You should be grateful to Blizz for the opportunity.
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I would much rather select a completely different game version from the B.net launcher drop-down menu to access other game modes (HC/SoD) than to have every classic game mode clumsily strewn together and only separated by different ‘realms’.
Era could stay permanently at current version (1.15.x), and whatever other beta experiment blizz is launching can just start their own version (1.0, etc)
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Sure, if you don’t want Blizz to fix security issues so your machine is vulnerable to attack, that would be fine.
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god forbid they do any sorta updates to their game to make it better… you people are INSUFFERABLE human beings
Posters: “hey it would be nice if Era didnt get bugged and my addons didnt break every time they change/add something that has nothing to do with Era”
Forums: “it has to be this way just because you filthy son of a gun”
Stability, bug fixing, battle.net integrations, exploit fixing.
The situation you are running into is that you personally want Blizzard to make design decisions on their game’s patches to support your personal third party addons. That’s not how game development works. And I don’t think you have a right to unrestricted third party addon usage. Sometimes things change for a reason.
I have only one time encountered an issue where a patch from Blizz required me to completely reconfigure an addon, and that was because it required a full reinstall because Blizzard removed that addons functionality meaning it worked completely differently after the patch.
It sounds like to me the issue is more on the third party devs of the addon than Blizzard. Getting mad at the company who makes the game you play because they are patching it and keeping it up to date and running smoothly because you have third party addons and programs you like to use that not everyone does is quite possibly the biggest entitlement case ever made.
How do you know that the changes and functionality has nothing to do with era? Do you know what changes were made that broke the addons? Do you have a detailed rundown of the exact changes, why they were not necessary for era, and how they broke the addons? No. Didn’t think so.
Amideus - why are you trying to deny Era players a stable, static, version?
Someone here linked a post from a dev discussing the way that SoD / HC are build ontop of era. Each release, there are a ton of bugs that are basically exactly what’d you expect from that setup.
Then you come in and try to deny the existence of that. Why?
There are many software products with far more users which don’t get any major updates and only seldom bug / security updates and are extremely reliable - this is not an impossible bar, especially considering all of era is within their own ecosystem.
Static and stable are not the same thing. I am not trying to deny you anything, I am pointing out you have no idea what you’re talking about or how systems work in general.
Because they all use the same base client. This is a cleaner and simpler solution than having to manage and maintain separate clients for each version of the game. What do you think makes the most sense, manage 7 different clients for every version of the game, or manage one single client? And note that the main complaint here is the management of the game for support of THIRD PARTY addons. You use addons, the risk is on you. There is no reason to expect them to support third party addons that we don’t even know a separate client would even FIX this specific issue to begin with.
I would love for you to name one non-abandonware SaaS platform out there today with a comparable user base that does not provide regular patches from the SDLC. Because I think that the people in here complaining are just upset at a thing that is happening without a fundamental understanding of how that thing works.
Bruh the entire Web is backwards compatible and stable - used by billions of people daily - including yourself to post in this thread. [edit: incase you miss the analogy a website is basically an addon in wow]
Now let’s remember the whole point is that Era is it’s own version of the game to many people. Keeping it static is what the ‘museum’ proposal was suggesting when we paid to xfer over. And it is generally easier to keep something that doesn’t change stable.
I am all for new versions such as HC, SoD, etc. but if they come at the cost of stability on Era - it is less exciting.
Ok so this is how I know you are completely unfamiliar with the concept. The internet is a barely functional amalgamation of coding that basically is put together with duct tape. Every year we get a new major flaw or vulnerability threating to cripple the system. IPv4 address threatening to run out, forcing the usage of IPv6 technology but no one wants to do IPv6 transitions so we’re in this weird hybrid system. The Heartbleed vulnerability that nearly broke the entire internet because of how integral OpenSSL was to everything. Remember how all the major web browsers killed flash because of all the vulnerabilities there too?
The internet is a PERFECT example of my point, where systems are constantly patched and managed and maintained. Do you think that the internet is just BGP and nothing has been done since DARPANET to it?
I mean how many different web browsers are there, how often do you have to constantly update those browsers, and then those browser plugins have to be updated, and some websites won’t let you use certain browsers or certain browser versions. The literal WORST example you could have given was “the internet”
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Doesn’t Claasic WoW regularly implement hotfixes and minor patches that don’t break add-on functionality? It seems like it’s only the major content patches that aren’t for Era itself (Hardcore, SoD, etc.) that break Era add-ons.
good grief i cannot even imagine such a thing
oh i guess someone can imagine it
sorry about the inconvenience
thoughts and prayers
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