Just don’t play with add-ons ![]()
They would basically be empty.
My add-ons only affect me, your add-ons only effect you, so why would we need a new server for that? The solution would be just don’t use add-ons if you don’t like them and your authentic experience has been unlocked.
i dont have any flashy loadout or on screen changes. the only addons i run are io, rare finders and glory achievement marker
as above said, my addons only affect me, yours only affect you. so what if bob to steve use X, if you dont good for you
What add ons in particular do you find so disturbing?
Actually, that’s a pointless question since you’ve added no comments or responses to your own post, so I’m presuming you aren’t interested enough to respond.
I’ll assume this isn’t your main, as I am not talking about LFR and normal. You can yolo those and even most heroic that way.
Although even some heroic difficulty bosses have that issue, mythic is absolutely designed with add-ons in mind. Humans don’t have the necessary reaction time to execute a perfect reactive organization of many mechanics with the time given, for example.
Is it possible without? Maybe, we don’t know no one does it, because without add-ons it’s intentionally shooting yourself in both feet and arms and making progression so much more slow and quite possibly impossible on many bosses
Understand and memorize your cool downs; I don’t even know what you mean there, of course you still have to understand your CDs, but the base UI, while improved lately (thankfully was able to reduce the number of add-ons I was using in Shadowlands ^^), doesn’t provide a solid enough solution to track certain things for the relevant level of content
Edit: added note that there’s also a difference between UI and buff tracking interface mods (which I am always happy to discuss about as optimizing UIs is a lot of fun to me) and boss mechanics handling add-ons.b
UI stuff makes you better at managing your stuff, but is not as hard needed as boss mechanic auras, for instance
You can just not use them
So then download the addons you’ll need then and stop complaining…or just go find another game to play.
Its like the flight haters…they’ll complain about having flight…then complain if you tell them not to use it. Basically like the OP here, theyre just here to complain.
If the game isnt what they want, there are other games they can play instead.
The issue is not having the self control to limit yourself.
Its wanting the control to limit others.
A serious answer, from someone who has done A LOT of analysis on this.
What are the most important things AddOns provide?
- Customization, especially accessibility.
- Accessibility is extremely difficult to implement in large-scale. Most of us may have heard that “WoW can run on a toaster”, referencing how relatively low the minimum specs to play the game has been for two decades. But accessibility focuses on people with disadvantaged traits, including but not limited to: Colorblindness, Deafness, and Short-sightedness. While Combat-focused addons are subject to a lot of criticism, they absolutely help these players enjoy content with their friends and family.
- Improved Information.
- One issue many players struggle with is simply understanding what the heck is actually going on. This goes back to the OG Vanilla days. In the past, Blizzard didn’t really provide enough information, such as the lack of Raid Frames. Sometimes the add too much information, and it clutters the screen needlessly. Being able to pick out the information important to you is extremely handy.
- I don’t think there’s a #3.
So, I want to focus SPECIFICALLY on Accessibility and Information. I genuinely do not like the state of high-end WoW gameplay: Raiding, Mythic+, PVP. I think it’s a miserable experience if you just wanted to play with minimal addon support, like a damage meter or a reskin mod.
In my opinion, the single reason why we are having this conversation is because the game itself is too damn hard for an average consumer. This happened for two big reasons: (1) Seasonal content gives it life as a competitive game, and (2) Players are universally better, on average, year over year.
So, we have seasonal content that breeds competition. This content hits 3 major pillars of WoW content: (1) Raiding, (2) Mythic+, (3) PVP. And it’s a simple fact that players are better than they were, on average, compared to the previous years. This creates a game development cycle that promotes patch-to-patch journeys instead of a longer form of journey, just as expansion-to-expansion.
How did we get here? It’s no secret that all games fall off their popularity quickly after their debut. WoW expansions are no different. The push for more seasonal content kept players coming back more frequently, albeit the content might be a bit similar – depending on your focus. Prior to Dragonflgiht, Mythic+ in Legion, BFA, and SL didn’t have a rotation. PVP has never really been huge for casual players, so ignore PVP for now. That leaves you with Raiding. Unless you were raiding, you really didn’t have anything new to look forward to, despite the seasonal nature of the game. You might get a new questing zone, but the story was never WoW’s forte.
So, here we are now. We have a seasonal game that focuses on competition. The state of competition is too high for many newer and veteran players because certain players are simply far better at the game – and they keep getting better.
So, how does this tie back to AddOns? AddOns make the game easier to understand for everyone who uses them. AddOns make the game so much easier, that even the best players in the world utilize them.
So, we should ask the question, who is actually the one who loses if we outright remove AddOns? I think the answer is that players who need AddOns for accessibility will be left without a game they can enjoy. Everyone else will quit or adapt, but these players may as well be forced to quit. I don’t think this outcome is a good one.
Since this post is already very long, I’ll give my suggestions and keep it short.
Suggestion 1:
- WoW should remain as is with respect to AddOn support.
- WoW systems should be pruned down to more digestible bits of information.
- WoW combat should be made more simple, including a slower pace from enemy NPCs.
Suggestion 2:
- Make a new game with no AddOn support. It doesn’t (and should’t) be WoW2. Starting a new game gives you a clean slate to apply your lessons learned.
- Limited customization based on a “per Role” layout. A standard UI for a Healer is vastly superior to a DPS UI when your role is Healer.
Final word: I don’t think AddOns are bad for the game; I recognize that, for a game as old as WoW, AddOns have developed to the point where they can “optimize the fun out of the game.” I think the best solution is simply to start a new game.
The thing these guys aren’t saying is how even people that are “purists” playing without add-ons are still using add-ons. It’s not them specifically using them, but their raid lead is definitely using them, as well as a good majority of their group, so the anti-addoners are using them by proxy. We had a few people like that in our raid and dungeon groups. They died to simple mechanics quite often. It’s really annoying when the one raid wipe mechanic is missed by the one person who doesn’t use add-ons.
Imagine an entire group that refuses to use them. Even in normal raiding it would be a nightmare. The only thing removing add-ons would do to WoW is completely reverting every mob in game to Vanilla WoW complexity.
Imagine if we applied this logic to roads.
Lets remove stop signs and traffic lights. Hey, if you want to stop at a junction, then just stop. ![]()
The issue is others operating under a certain set of rules impacts everyone.
Provided the server never links to one of the standard servers, knock yourself out.
…Have you actually been in a raid and try to listen to distinct sounds?
Nay, a dungeon even?
Unless you’re saying we we can shut all the sounds 'cept for actual important sounds that bosses and their mechanics make, which knowing Blizzard, inconsistantly put sounds on the master channel (i.e, if you have sound effects and music, ambiance and so on off, but kept the sound on)
What is stopping you from not installing addons? There shouldn’t be anything that is, I mean in this you can choose to play your way and not infringe on others. Your request is a slippery slope in that I can see that you’d eventually demand that since they did it for ‘just that server’ that you’d want it to go to all other servers.
Personally I like my addons. Also I feel that your request is just an extension of that one streamer ‘who shall not be named’ and his inability to come to grips with the fact that he isn’t as good of a player as he thought he was, and that the game has progressed passed his abilities. You all should be better friends and get him to cope with that fact.
Lmao, this doesn’t actually happen in 99.999% of cases
The game shouldn’t need add-ons to be played properly they should be a preference thing if a thing at all.
wtf?
Homie, if you don’t want addons, THEN DON"T PLAY WITH ADDONS.
Define played properly