Additional Season 4 Class Tuning -- August 9

This happens to any class that isn’t mage, it’s not personal to warlocks.

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i feel for ya, because that’s exactly what they were a good portion of BFA and you can tell that’s where they are going again when a huge nerf comes out like this. Blizzard doesn’t aim for balance anymore i think, they kind of just say we want to see more of this class so let’s make it stronger or in warlocks case, we want make your game play experience as disappointing as possible so let’s nerf u to the point you’re only being brought to the raid so you can bake cookies and summon. There was always that need for a warlock in a raid group but there was only ever one lucky son of a lich who got in.

This forums is ridiculous. So many people thinking they can do blizzards job better. These same people who are probably either baggers at walmart, car mechanics, or accounting… Suddenly have the knowledge of the game devs.

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play a game 15 years
learn nothing about it

How about BM hunters? We need buffs no?

Playing a game for 15 years does not mean you know anything other than to press buttons in certain orders bud.

don’t project your inability onto me. just because that’s all you learn from your game play experience doesn’t mean we are all so limited.

I think the reason WW isn’t in this pass is twofold. First, they make up a much smaller percentage of the player base so the spec as a whole is an outlier. Second their single target is on the lower side compared to those two, while their aoe niche damage is ridiculous it’s also somewhat behind destruction and survival is my understanding.

I’m all for nerfing things that way overperform as long as underperforming get brought up to par so everyone gets better opportunities. They probably can’t just buff everyone up to the top level due to the damage trivializing content.

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Did you back down this time or actually do it? I will have to cancel my sub again if Destro and survival dodged the nerf again

The problem with you is you are hyperfocused on one aspect. You aren’t in the bleachers able to see the entirety of the weaving that goes into the game.

Oh my PI, oh my feral oh my destro. It’s not as simple as just tossing numbers at a wall towards DPS.

again don’t project your ignorance onto me. I’m well aware of the subtle intricacies of game design, I know how difficult balancing can be, but blizzard doesn’t even try they’ve been a class flavor of the patch rotation kind of company for a long time. i’ve beta tested nearly every MMO that has come out in the past 15 years. i understand the type of feedback devs look for and i also understand the type of devs that activision has turned blizzard into. I’ve watched this company lose it’s soul in a decade and a half all while blizzbros make excuses for their short comings every step of the way.

If blizzard wanted to balance this game they would’ve been rid of borrowed powers years ago. They create problems then waste time fixing problems they created and ultimately end up putting out a game not even living up to half the potential wow could be. Just to say well you fan boys just don’t get how hard it is to make a good game.

Stop forcing yourselves to recreate each class every expansion, build on what you put into the game and that would certainly be a good place to start. Maybe then they could finally have the classes in order and could focus their attention on creating new raids which is about the only thing ian has ever actually excelled at. i despise that little man for what he’s done to this great game so it may be the only good thing i ever say about him on this forum

Good luck getting good goy green text that’s not what i’m here for.

Humble me. Explain your qualifications for blizzards product World of Warcraft. Do you have any formal education? From where? Have you been behind the scenes of class balance at blizzard? Or is your only qualifications is that you play games? Because surprise surprise a lot of us here have been playing mmos for 15 odd+ years. I’ve been playing them since 2006. But IM the ignorant one? Were going off of your qualifications so the very least you need to respect my opinion on the matter or really why should anyone respect yours?

I have no idea what you are saying here but it sounds like an accusation of some sort.

There’s a difference between playing a game and being part of the games development by being a beta tester, the fact you can’t tell the difference tells me exactly how qualified you are to be having this conversation with me. Spoilers: you didn’t make the cut.

You think too highly of yourself. You need to gain some perspective because yet again you are basing your entire argument on what you A. think you know as someone who doesn’t get paid to work on games and B what i know. And to quote GOT… You know nothing Shoogi.

EDIT: you present yourself as the smartest guy in the room. You aren’t. Millions upon millions have beta tested games just like you.

and 1. you assume I have not. That was your first mistake. 2. You present yourself as if you, Shoogi are the only person to have done what you say and are presenting it as the only logical conclusion to come to which is your opinion. Reality check there are people out there with your same “qualifications” that disagree with you.

solo players an a mmo? this aint skyrim bubs go be social

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music to my ears

/does river dance

This sums it up .

I get that no player like to see their specs get nerfed. But I do like the cautious and gradual approach of nerfs, unlike the nuclear nerfs that boomkins, frost mages and others received during the development. Even with the nerfs, since surv hunters and destro locks both have great synergy with the new shrouded affix, they are still going to be top class in M+, but no longer by a huge margin. So please keep in mind that with the new shrouded affix, there will be some outlier winners that benefit a lot more than others, do continue monitoring the performance in M+ and deploy more adjustment as needed, especially to the classes that are underperforming. thank you.

I play Destro Lock and can say that the AOE DMG is only an issue in REALLY BIG pulls! IMO Season 4 Dungeons are for the most part small pull encounters (except Gambit). I think you already nerfed them enough for AOE for the AVERAGE PLAYER that doesnt get MDI style pulls to spam Rain of Fire. Stop Buffing / Nerfing based upon the top % of the best players.

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