Adding a fast Rank 14 axe

You are stating that a fact with evidence to back it up is wrong yet you keep posting your OPINIONS. Funny.

You are factually incorrect. It’s absolutely laughable how Alliance players don’t want to admit that they had it EASY.

Doing so would lessen your “achievements”. I get that.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and the video linked would educate you on what you don’t know.

EXACTLY! People used their prior knowledge to avoid rolling Horde. They knew with the increased difficulty that Horde did not stand even close to what the Alliance had.

Watch the video. Educate yourself on the issues.

Notice how every Alliance player has a problem with getting Shamans? They KNOW it’s the inferior class when compared to Paladin.

I normally play Horde, but keep dreaming if you like.

Excluding the fact that we all played horde and had the best parses AS horde because its BiS.

you’re flat out ignoring speed clears and parses being Best for horde, we knew this going in with Classic 2019…

you straight up ignore that fact, and make believe players got better in SoM when most of the most talented raiders moved on… they never went back to play SoM because everyone was busy with TBC / Wrath.

Show your proof please. Show your evidence.

I’m waiting.

Literally linked you better players in Classic 2019, you can ignore it if you like but the overwhelming volume of talented raiders did not play SoM.

Pretend all you want, I don’t care.

The.
Topic.
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Season.
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Mastery.

We have discussed this over and over and over again.

You keep making callbacks to "plAyERs diDn’T pLAY SoM bCUZ tHEy wAS thE bUSy wiTH TbC / WrATh.

Then you push it back to Classic 2019 when it suits you.

Again. Post your evidence.

Classic 2019 had better players… PERIOD, and almost none of them played SoM.

I try to illustrated why people pick a faction, you ignore it.
I try and explain why horde is not bad… you ignore it.

you just want buffs, why not just admit you want buffs so you can parse higher without trying to justify it?

Either way, its over, not happening… good luck.

New PvP gear/weapons being introduced would be pretty cool. I doubt they would make changes to Era gear any time soon but maybe they will since the ranking system is being changed.

Again no evidence. Nothing to show proof.

I illustrated why you are wrong, you ignore it.

Funny how you say “not bad” but don’t say “the best”.

Lol Parse kids. The evidence is all there. The issues with the population, the dead realms, the no world pvp, the 45 minute queues on Alliance, the 80% Alliance population.

“Ya bro Horde is fine and people picked Alliance because other people picked Alliance.”

I am willing to bet that something is being done to fix this issue going forward into the next season.

The best players.

Yup on WCL proving I am correct.

vanilla.warcraftlogs .com/zone/rankings/2006#metric=progress&partition=6&boss=-1
vanilla.warcraftlogs .com/zone/rankings/2006#metric=progress&partition=6
vanilla.warcraftlogs .com/zone/rankings/2002#metric=progress&partition=4

Yet it proves you wrong. The same guilds have existed in Classic exist here AND many of them have rolled Alliance for the first time.

You keep making these bold claims about having evidence and you have posted NOTHINGGGGGGG. The only person who has provided proof is ME.

I was in the meeting with over 400 Horde players from various guilds when they voted to go Alliance. Where were you?

“I mostly play Horde” BS. You are an Alliance player hiding behind an alt because you are too scared to stand behind your words. Too scared to play Hard(Horde) mode. And too ashamed to admit you have been playing the game on easy mode.

Still waiting on my +5 swords and daggers for UD.

But guess what; its not happening.

OK, I hate to get into this argument really because I think the OPs topic was about introducing a fast R14 axe to Era specifically, and I don’t see that as needed for Era. Especially if the Era players focus on speed clears, and from what I’ve seen they do, and the Era horde has great clear times.

Without knowing a single detail about the next season I do think a R14 fast axe may be a good idea there, depending on everything.

SoM was also not that popular, especially after a few months and I’ve written my list of reasons for that. By the time the horde got to AQ40, there were so few horde raiders that a skill issue may have contributed to the lack of clears.

However, after playing SoM, even though I never played that version to raid, I will say that there were some benefits huge enough to the alliance that the raiding players picked that faction for SoM from the start, or rerolled to it. The horde had a number of disadvantages based on the tweaks to the SoM version of the game. While this may be a chicken (the “best” players pick one faction based on them being better for min-maxing) and egg (all the “better” or mid-tier players follow), I’ll say this is more of a chicken.

I admittedly was not paying attention to AQ40 SoM so I don’t know about there. I don’t really want to call it this but I will, one of the better horde guilds in Era right now was raiding in SoM up to Naxx. If no horde guilds cleared the AQ40 hard modes that would mean they didn’t either. That’s despite my knowing that some of those players understand Classic Vanilla very well. Likely all 40 were not great though, and they had to take what they could get. I don’t know.

I will agree with this more because it’s been my experience. The people who have seen who are very good at and hugely into things like speed running and parsing are still very much enjoying progressing through the Classic releases and will probably love Cata. Everything about that game fits them like a glove.

With that being said there are die-hard Vanilla fans who are good at the game, even based on your explanation of what good is, did play SoM, and I’d say even more of these types will play the next season.

On another note, I do find it interesting that “good” is determined mostly by a persons passions. The people who I know who do the “best” in this game will sit on class discords all day, or sometimes just experiment with their class, and when they find out something new they will get extremely excited. As in you could hand them $1000 and they care about this WoW discovery more. They will also spend hours chatting about it, fully deep diving. Therefore it’s no surprise that when someone is this passionate that they will be good at what they are passionate about, in fact, it naturally follows.

So when a person is good at playing their class very well or figuring out ways to speed clear, or whatever they get really respected by the WoW community. Whereas people who care about other facets of the game and are just as passionate about those things are often thought of as “bad”. The thing is this is perception only, it’s just different personality types and different interests/passions. So because so much focus is put on those who care about one facet of the game (by the devs and increasingly more of the player base) everything becomes about that, which directly means that some of the players who care about things like PVP or the social aspects get left behind, even when these players are drastically better at these things than the players labeled “good” are.

Some of those really amazing players I described would grey parse a 2 in people skills, and this is an MMO. That’s far from “good”. When you try to talk to them about things like how people are working together socially in a raid group it’s like their eyes glaze over. They have no interest in caring even about things that could tear their raid group apart.

This is what I think has happened to Wrath and Retail. Having the game be only about one thing, and treating only one type of player as “good” is extremely bad for a quality MMO IMO. This is way off-topic for this thread and it really seems like no one ever wants to talk about it but since the thread kind of gets into it but I wanted to type those last paragraphs anyway.

So I guess, back to the actual topic, my opinion is no to the R14 fast axe for Era but maybe for the next season.

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If you get a r14 fast axe I want a r14 fast shadow wand. Thx.

Oh and also a spell dmg 1 h mace. And a spell dmg trinket…see where this going?

The Blood Elf racial should be a hairbrush.