Technically, he never said that.
If you go back through his posts, he actually said:
And then somewhat more nuanced, he said:
It’s just a matter of what that certain point is for you or for him.
Both of you are right on many points here.
“Passed a certain point” sure. How vague do you want to be? Do you have specifics?
Do you have sources?
Have you spoken to all those people?
“Passed a certain point” no one plays Vulpera I’m sure.
You keep changing your milestone. First it was everyone uses addons and Blizzard designs all content around it, then it was “surely you don’t need it for LFR”, and now it is “passed a certain point”.
Does Blizzard only create content “passed a certain point” with the intention that everyone has addons now?
Blizzard has addons in mind when they design content. If you’re doing more than LFR, you’re using addons. Every person that takes the opposite stance has never done anything. I can argue for things that I’ve never done either.
That is actually well into their replies. Initially the statement was that Blizzard designs content around the concept that everyone uses addons like DBM.
Them specifically referring to people they play with was quite a bit after that.
Except I just told you I do AotC each patch and occasionally some mythic bosses depending on how my casual guild feels about progression.
So, no, I’m not “arguing for things I’ve never done”.
You keep changing the bar, all players, those who do higher than LFR, those who do heroic, those “passed a certain point”.
Admit it, your statement is based of a fallacious belief because you don’t know.
You simply expect it to be the case because that is the world you view.
Great, but your guild is using addons.
Relevance how?
I’ve read through every post he’s made in here and he’s never specifically stated everyone uses addons.
Here’s all of them:
Then why are they arguing when all I said was “not everyone uses addons so that’s not an assumption that Blizzard can make”?
I would argue that while it’s true that the default UI could do more to communicate mechanics and how to deal with them to the players, the majority of players would still use addons to customize their user interface to their liking, or to change how callouts are telegraphed.
If the game defaulted to text callouts, players might get addons to change that to audio, and vice versa. Some players respond to that better, just to name one example.
you dont understand. there were wow addons before wow existed. wow was made for the addons.
It already does and that is the exact situation players are in.
Blizzard default has visual and even audio queues and has so for a decent time now.
Of course, and that’s totally fine. But a lot of people, particularly players going no further than heroic raids and +14 keys (majority of players), would probably not bother with it if the game were good enough. The main point is to achieve that level of optionality.
Honestly, the back and forth between the two of you has lost much in translation. lol
You actually started out mostly agreeing with him, just clarifying. But then it went to you bringing up “everyone uses addons anyway,” which started that debate. And then you made good points about how Blizz can’t make the assumption of the use of addons, but by that point, the focus was on the “everyone uses addons” and it all kinda fell apart after that. LOL
Sorry, m’dear. Conversations unravel in threads like this. But you both did make good points! It just got thrown off the rails too fast. 
if bliz somehow made addons against tos and forced everyone to use base ui unmodded, most players would either quit or just accept the risk of consequences and use them anyway like tmorph.
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Too soon.
Your guild is at the point where addons are beneficial to the point where you need them. You’re no different from any other AOTC minded guild that dabbles into a bit of mythic…and there are thousands of them. Maybe 10’s of thousands.
Those encounters are designed with those addons in mind. You don’t have to like it, but that’s the way it is.
0/10 for the thread.
I think the lost in translation here between the two of you is that while fights are designed so that there’s a complexity to them due to addons… Blizz has added their own visuals and sound effects for them, as well, just in case, to add backup and their own bit of implementation. The complexity was created due to addons, but so were visual and audio cues as in-game standard.