Abnormal "Races"

Assuming they did they would either be killed or run out of town.

My point is the future of the worgens as an actual institution/something that will persist for generations is probably suspect.

Like, assuming we finally deal with whatever “final evil” is out there, would people even need worgens, demon hunters, warlocks or the like? Or would most societies go back to trying to limit them to only absolutely neccesarily/the Gilneans as people deciding to not have future generations of worgens?

Cults operating in secret or behind the shadows?

Unthinkable…

Not arguing this, but there is a sense of peoplehood and community behind these means of existence.

They aren’t simply soldier roles, really.

And we hunt down cults mercilessly, especially ones who would endanger children.

This was something briefly talked about in Before the Storm, with that forsaken councillor talking about how maybe getting a second shot at life/unlife was enough. That maybe the Forsaken do not need to perpatuate their “race”.

Yet the Cult of the Damned was able to operate in areas that was dedicated to eradicating the Scourge.

Yet the Twilight Cult operated in places that were antithetical to their message.

Weird how that works out, isn’t it.

Not to mention the Worgen are people too. Let’s not forget that in the little debate going on currently

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And both are all but destroyed with most of them forced out of any major population centers.

For the a Cult of the Damned, they still operate from as far as we know since Cata.

For the Twilight Cult, they still operate in secret too based on what we learned from Shaman Orderhall in Legion.

Occult belief systems don’t just go away easily.

Those two cults were also behind massive world ending phenomena that caused their members to be hunted down by literally everybody. The Wolf Cult has never had that much heat placed on them.

That’s one Forsaken’s opinion.

That shouldn’t be extrapolated to all Forsaken nor should it be extrapolated to other ‘nonnatural races’ like Worgen.

Yes they still operate but they are hardly a threat nor something that can freely operate in any major city. Similarly while individual who might want to pass on the “gift” to their children will likely exist. Anyone who tries will likely be mercilessly hunted as well.

I dont know. Sounds to me like that is more of a hint of how the forsaken will end their story when WoW itself has ended.

Regardless, the Forsaken are a walking population time bomb. The Alliance will not likely let their corpses be raised by them so short of war their population will dwindle.

Well, I’m not saying they’d operate freely or be accepted.
I’m just saying that it isn’t an impossibility to happen.
I also don’t think it’s too out of the question to assume that these Cults could operate in secret in these cities.

I mean, again, the Twilights had operated in Stormwind without anyone knowing until Cata… Same thing for the Cult of the Damned and several groups of Warlocks.

Again, not arguing that it wouldn’t be accepted.
Just that it’s not an impossible thing to happen, or that the sentiment wouldn’t be there.

We also need to understand the actual logistics of how easy it would be to hunt down a Cult within a decentralized population of exiles that’s spread out throughout several different cities, towns, villages, and other territories throughout the world.

With no real force that hunts them down besides guards, policemen, and maybe local religious orders.

Perhaps it is.

Doesn’t mean that it’s the shared sentiment of every Forsaken still, or that anybody RPing a Forsaken or Forsaken character would have to share that sentiment.

You make it sound like Gilneas doesnt have an army and that it wouldnt mobilize its entire force to deal with such personal and dangerous threat. My point is any attempt at keeping the worgens as a race/institution in Gilneas will need the full support of the people. Forcing kids to get the gift will not get that support.

Nor does it have to be. But regardless of how anyone may want to rp/the lore sentiment of the Forsaken they may have no choice but to accept they are a one generation race.

They really don’t because you don’t know that. Nor can you prove that

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Honestly they’d get a lot more if they just let people know how garbage the afterlife is.

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Again, decentralized people.

Maybe once they get Gilneas back they’d be able to do something like this… but running a full-on inquisition on your own people that are spread throughout the world isn’t an easy nor readily popular task.

Besides, Gilneans have a history of thwarting or rebelling against authority.

Well, I’m not saying this would be an institutionalized thing.

It would be a thing of individual opinion and belief, whether the Gilneans could stop that or not.

An institutional answer to whether or not there’d be a need to ‘continue’ the Gilnean Worgen population would either:
A. Never happen
B. Be decided that there’s 0 reason to keep the Worgen population continuous

Like I said before, the sense of personhood and culture surrounding the Worgen might influence individuals to feel as if it’d be important to keep the Worgen curse for future generations and take it upon themselves to do that.

It’s not out of the question.
I don’t see why this isn’t seen as a thing of individual interpretation and action, when it really is.

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All you really gotta do is give a few people the ol’ nomnom and and even if you execute the worgen responsible, the population still sees a net increase. :dracthyr_a1:

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Usually because if you execute any cultists, now everyone in town starts whispering Maybe they were right about so so noble or so so goverment and boom, new recruits.

Cults when they reach a certain size and influence, the message speaks for itself and any actions said goverment or noble takes, just proves to those who may be on the fence, that those cultist might be right

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That assume said cult is even popular. I doubt a new Wolf cult, the same cult that ultimately caused the Gilneans to lose their home. Will ever be popular.

Or others might see it as a dangerous and now pointless thing and like old war machines are better left buried only to ever be used in the worse case scenarios.

The Forsaken are literally living on borrowed time. Short of them going to war with the Alliance, they are not getting new bodies to raise(assuming they even solve that problem that they cannot raise new Forsaken right now)

Well it depends.

Like, Demon hunters aren’t exactly multiplying until we get a new lore source stating otherwise, they were made to fight the burning legion and did their job, now, they have to figure out their place in the world.

For the others, there isn’t a necessity for them, but there is at the same time. Becoming a Worgen might be a cultural thing at this point, and the extra strength, speed and stamina could be useful even for everyday jobs, and even if we get rid of every world ending threat, bandits, greedy people, evildoers will always exist.

Warlocks don’t need a reason to exist, greed for power, the desire to reach the unknown, those things are just constants in existence.

And for every other group, we could always find a new battle to be fought, a new knowledge to be found, a new conflict to be solved.

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Or we just go back and have these practices declared illegal/only allowed under heavy supervision. Anyone who violates it could be imprisoned or worse.

Not really. With how Metzen describes it. We might actually be reaching a point where we do have a final battle and while we might have to continue to deal with the odd bandit or troublemaker, for the most part, Azeroth might actually be in a state of peace were we won’t need all our advance tactics/the use of dangerous magic.

Or people grow and realize the worgen and undead aren’t going anywhere, and if people CHOOSE to be either one, than so be it. It’s their decision

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In the undead’s case, the Alliance is not letting them get them their corpses.

As for the worgens, if Malfurion can chose to ban them, so can Genn declare that no new Worgens be allowed to be created due to how dangerous they can be.