A wolf is being placed on the Shaman Tier sets

Could we please get a bit more information on why this is such an iconic component of the Shaman class? Thrall having the ability, them being a part of the Shaman in WC3 - seems a bit thin.

The most obvious conclusion would be that Goldrinn is a sponsoring god, or something along those lines, which would solve the problem of “Shaman aren’t in the Nature School” but it might also clarify further:

  1. Where the elements sit in the cosmos
  2. How they interact with the grand orchestration of things
  3. What the elements want, how the Shaman interacts with them, and what “deal” races have with them, most especially the Goblins
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I think it’s an obvious fact that Blizzard does not care about shamans or their lore. For example, I recently learned that Blizzard originally said that Ardenweald was the afterlife for druids and hunters, while forgetting shamans. They slipped in shamans in Grimoire.

A likely reason for this is that Ardenweald is very Night Elf-centric.

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im pretty sure thrall uses the spell spirit wolves. he is one of the iconic shamans of wow. hence the wolves.

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Storm, Earth, Fire, Water, and Spirit are the five elements/aspects of Shamanism.

The Wolf is typically depicted as the avatar of the spiritual side of Shaman. Bub, “Ghost Wolf” is one of Shaman’s most iconic abilities, as well as “Feral Spirits”.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/d/d7/Troll-male-t2_sha.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20060723121325

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I hadn’t noticed that the Shaman has a lot to do with wolves, despite playing once since Wrath. Weird.

Anyway follow-up question - why is the wolf part of Shamanism, gentleman?

In the intro to Ardenweald, one of the natives turns into a Ghost Wolf. And I thought that was a nice inclusion, but it still leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

Why?


Why are water elementals represented as humanoids, when they could take on pretty much any form? Or why do water elementals work with Mages, with elementals are typically in the domain of Shamans? Who knows. It’s a style thing. Dungeons and Dragons mashed up with Metzen’s love for Native American imagery, a clash of traditional Medieval European fiction with indigenous folklore.

Wolves are a cool representation of the spiritual side of Azeroth.

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I can’t remember the quest dialog anymore, but I’m pretty sure it was explained when my shaman was up and coming, learning her trade, and acquiring her spirit form (also back in Wrath). Those quests may have been removed in later expansions, but perhaps the Classic games still have them.

i think there is a classic valley of trials quest that explains it.

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Probably because if this:

Shamanism in the orcs remained all but extinct until Thrall, the son of the deceased Durotan and future chieftain of the Frostwolf clan, grabbed hold of the reins of Warchief of the New Horde, ushering in a new generation of shamanism, breaking the crippling lethargy of the captive orcs and outlawing the dark magic of the Burning Legion.

The symbol and the wolf spirit became iconic after that.

The wolf being “iconic” for Shaman is pretty much because they forget that other shamans exist outside of orcs. It’s an orc thing to me, and really doesn’t feel iconic at all for any of the other shaman races.

Considering the elements are prominent on Draenor as well, they might just be present in a lot of places. Azeroth might be unique, where the Titans made the elemental planes to sort of jail them all and keep the peace. I always thought it was implied that the planes are unique to Azeroth since the Titans were involved, but the elements clearly predate Titan involvement.

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Say what now?

But even if this is the reason:

  1. We need more information. Can we turn into wolves because Thrall did? How did Thrall do it? Why did he do it?
  2. Why do Alliance Shaman use wolves? Our four Shaman classes didn’t teach each other.

The Elements thing is fairly clear. The Elements make deals with Shaman. They came to Noboru (can never remember how to spell it) when the Light left him. But the lore on the Elements isn’t consistent, and since we got the cosmology chart, it hasn’t explained how the elements are involved.

Pandaren shamanism would’ve existed by itself and apart from orc influence for a long, long time.

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Forgot about the Pandas. Yeah ok so 5 races:

  1. Draenei
  2. Dwarves
  3. Dark Iron Dwarves
  4. Kul Tiran
  5. Panda
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Autocorrect. I’m on my phone.

Draenei taught others, as far as I know.

Samwise thought it was cool 25 years ago

There is no deep meaning behind it.

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Mages get the main elemental sets so you guys get wolves and the elements mages don’t get like rocks.

As you can see the only solution is removing mages but… the int buff D:

Do you have a source for this?

The Wildhammer would have practiced Shamanism before the Dreanei arrives. And I assume Kul Tirans are connonically Tide Sages, which seems ancient.

Pandas…Can’t even begin to explain.

And the Dark Iron once enslaved Elementals. But they wouldn’t have met Draenei prior to BFA.

I mean, to be honest, Shaman is kind of an “Orc Only” type of class. Draenei are sort of acceptable as Shaman because they also come from Draenor and could have learned from the same sources as Orcs, but Shamanism was not really natural to Azeroth in the original vision of the lore. Of course the lore has been retconned forwards backwards left right and sideways and you have Panda Shaman and Human Shaman, but Shamanism is really more of a “Draenor” type of a thing.

If it were up to me and we could go back in time, maybe we’d do cross-faction PvE dungeons and raids earlier in the games history and make Paladin stay Alliance only and Shaman stay Horde only.

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…Where are you getting this from? There’s nothing I’ve come across that says the elements are exclusive to Dreanor.

Pretty sure Nobundo said as much in the Exodar. But I’d have to do some digging.

But also keep in mind, the elements taught Nobundo. So they could teach others. Not unlike Cenarius and Druids.