You play a Tauren…and you think furries are new to WoW?
What the deluded heck are you talking about?
You said, clearly, that Hunter camo wasn’t stealth.
I said it was, linked proof, you said nope, I linked real-time evidence tested moments before I posted it.
Why would I have to read an article about it from an unreliable source?
Oh boy, not this again. lol.
Tauren Rogues are going to be even more glorious than Sunwalkers. I can’t wait to make wannabe lore nerds cry just because I exist.
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Don’t read it then. I’m not interested in convincing YOU that I’m right, I’m simply refuting that you have contradicted me. You haven’t.
They can’t use two hand hammers either.
It’s the effect of surprise. No one expects a tauren to sneak around and so nobody notices them do. Stealth in plain sight.
That’s you.
This is literally the tooltip text for Camouflage.
You’re absolutely wrong on this.
The UPDATE_STEALTH event fires when you enter and leave Camouflage status. Confirmed by direct experimentation today.
The API call, IsStealthed(), returns true when you are Camouflaged. Confirmed by direct experimentation today.
I don’t know how you could be more wrong on this issue.
Camouflage’s mechanic is literally the stealth mechanic plus some healing.
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If we want to get nitty gritty with stuff, Tauren rogues make as much sense as stealth does currently. Stealth is basically invisibility which is magical in nature. It makes absolutely no GD sense how a rogue can literally vanish in the middle of a wide open area no matter how sneaky they can walk/move…not to mention the physics of carrying around backpacks full of stuff and all of that nonsense those variables entail on “realism”.
A cow silently clopping around and the absurdness of it suddenly seems far less of an issue in that context.
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Dude, stop replying to me if you have nothing to say.
You replied
I countered
Now, again, I don’t care if you want to believe you’re right and leave, but the fact of the matter is I put the top card on the Uno deck.
Just to seal the deal here, here you go.
Okay? This is not Stealth.
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Why do you think you’re winning an argument by linking outside sources and videos from Cataclysm when he’s showing you current, in-game tooltips and functions?
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Because he’s living in the fact-free world of the internet and his mommy couldn’t have raised a little boy who would make a mistake.
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Tauren rogue made less sense when they were less magic. They’re a noncaster magic class now
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Are you following this thread at all?
This is the point that was being argued in favor of Tauren Rogues -
“You initially agreed that Rogues exist. You initially agreed that Hunters exist. You initially agreed that Tauren exist. Therefore, you implicitly agree to Tauren Rogues because of <insert argument here>”. (Tauren Hunters leads to Tauren Rogue because blah blah blah)
The part in contention is that whether the original source material of Rogues, Hunters, and Tauren lead to Tauren Rogues being a natural addition.
Look, the lore can always change. Blizzard can just decide Undead Paladins exist and that’s how it be. That would be a change of the lore, but it would be something they could do. What is being argued in this thread is that Undead guy claiming lore isn’t changing, and that Tauren Rogues are simply a natural extension of the lore we already have. I disagree. I don’t believe the existence of Tauren Hunters implies Tauren Rogues whatsoever, because Hunters and Rogues are not the same thing.
This guy feels obligated to talk about how Ion and Danuser changed the way Camoflauge worked after Metzen left, as if that is at all relevant to the discussion. Camoflauge was never envisioned as a true replacement for stealth, and Stealth was never envisioned as invisibility.
Yes, this is the only argument I can agree with. “Times have changed”. Rogues aren’t what Rogues used to be anymore. They’re pseudo-magical assassins who can conjure deadly poisons from the ether and vanish in plain sight.
But it doesn’t mean that people who are mad about Tauren Rogues are wrong, because people can have followed this franchise long enough to not agree with the changes made to Rogues.
You can say that “Tauren Rogues fit Retail WoW” and also say “Tauren Rogues are dumb” both at the same time and not be wrong.
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I will say that there is a lot that has changed with the game and I guess we all have certain changes that have us throwing our hands up in disgust. This seems like a weird hill to die on instead of something that actually affects gameplay, but to each their own.
I just don’t think you’re going to get very far trying to argue semantics using outside sources and past examples when the game has clearly changed, for better or worse. If you want to say it goes against the original source material, sure. But trying to say it doesn’t work in the modern game when people are giving current, in-game references as to why it does…that’s a battle that you lost the second it started.
Moving on.
Who said anything about dying? This conversation is about thinking Tauren Rogue are dumb. The guy wanted to defend Blizzard and say we’re unjustified in thinking it is dumb because we “agree” with it, but that argument doesn’t actually work. All that argument really does is say Rogues and Hunters have changed and this newer version of those classes results in a dumb outcome. In fact, its sort of a condemnation of the changes made to Rogues and Hunters over the years in what those changes have led to as an outcome.
It has strayed quite a bit from what we all initially bought in on.
“Tauren Rogues only make sense in the context of current WoW” might be a more appropriate way to phrase it. They certainly don’t fit in Classic WoW. We’re also living in a time when Trolls can be Paladins, I doubt that is what most of us signed on expecting and many of us are still justified thinking that CHANGE is dumb (we never agreed to the change).
Screw lore. Yeah,i said it. Bring more class options blizzard
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Everyone complaining about Tauren rogues and ignoring the lightforged Draenei, who honestly look about as stealthy as a flickering light bulb.
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