By that logic, how can Dark Iron Dwarves be rogues, then? It’d smell like a smoke stack with them a mile away.
you dont see tauren rogue you only see the name of them in the combat log after you die
It’s certainly always entertaining to see where people want to draw their personal line for “suspension of disbelief”. Hooves, size and body odor as a problem after someone accepted all of the following things:
- There are other sentient species / races besides humans that co-inhabit the same world.
- One of these species is obviously a rather large bi-pedal, omnivoric species that has some resemblance to real world (herbivoric) quad-pedal bovines.
- Given the fact that they have a strong hunter culture would indicate that the species in question reasonably well adapted their bi-pedal movement towards sneaking even with hooves
- Magic exists in this world: Certain individuals can shoot literal fire and ice from their hands.
- Magical non-magic exists as well: Certain individuals are capable to completely hide their presence while standing in broad daylight directly within the field of view of other living beings at distances below a few meters. Some of these individuals belong to species that are well above 2 meters in height, while others have bulky muscular bodies that put Arnold Schwarzenegger in his hayday to shame.
- Body odor is no concern for these particular individuals even if they come from a eternally rotting species of undead or a usually cave-dwelling species that likes to be close to blacksmithing furnaces.
Yet somehow the idea of a member of the species in points 2 and 3 also belonging to the individuals in points 5 and 6 is rejected based on flawed ideas of alleged realism.
~bwahahaha~
Cows are big fans of brushing so I figured Tauren know how to take care of themselves.
Seriously yall ever see a brushed cow? They get so floofy
I find the notion of a mage Tauren more far fetched. Imagine the first day of fire magic classes in a Tauren school. Teacher leaves the room for a few minutes and returns to a room full of cooked brisket.
Humans don’t smell any better especially if you’re hanging around ya’lls canals in Stormwind.
You don’t really understand how suspension of disbelief works do you?
When we interact with a work of fiction, we’re expected to agree to a sort of contract with the writers that certain things about the world we’re viewing are different from our world, but other things not part of that contract are mostly the same, like characters needing air to breath or a stab wound to the heart being fatal, in order to allow some semblance of tension to exist in action sequences (the threat of A implies B without outright needing to say that negative consequence B exists as a potential in this scenario).
Cow people and magic are parts of that contract. Sneaky cow are less-so.
Previously, especially during the Classic era, “stealth” was not considered invisibility, but an abstraction of the idea of remaining concealed in your movements. It’s why things like distance and enemy facing matter to stealth detection, whereas something like invisibility didn’t consider those factors as invisibility was, well, actual invisibility. A Cow-person concealing their movements was rather absurd.
All that said, the premise of what a Rogue is has changed over the years. We’ve seen in at least one cinematic that “Stealth” is now a sort of imperfect invisible shroud that Rogues are able to wrap around themselves to remain out of sight, and there’s no reason a Cow-person couldn’t use that magic/technology as well.
At this point, a Tauren Rogue isn’t really a big deal, even if it does butt up against the original fantasy of what Rogues were.
I agree with OP. I also understand and get the argument of it’s a fantasy game. Saying that I would still prefer no Tauren rogs. I guess the stink by my hang up is their size. Because this is not something I want to suspend my logic on. Just as I think there should be no Gnome warriors or other Gnome tanky melee classes etc. But at the same time it’s not a massive deal.
“Good morning class. Today’s lesson is about fire safety. We have a special guest from the fire department to talk to you. Give me just a moment to let him in…”
You’ve obviously never worked at McDonalds.
How can someone so big be stealthy!
Ever been to Ungoro or Hellfire Peninsula? The dinos and fel reaver are stealthy as heck.
Can’t wait to see the names!
Stealthybeef
Knivesandsteak
Stabbymcburger
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That’s nice. It’s a fantasy game. Let people have fun. Besides if you can’t think of a way for it to be possible then your problem is a lack of imagination, not your assassination at the hands of a Tauren rogue. Oh wait, I guess it’s soon to be both ![]()
I’m perfectly aware how suspension of disbelief works. I explicitly expressed my personal amusement about how certain people obviously suspend their disbelief concerning 6 different extremly “fantastic” if not “absurd” premises and then suddenly fail to suspend their disbelief when some of these already accepted premises are combined.
So thanks for wasting your time with giving me an unneeded “education” on suspension of disbelief and then demonstrating that you failed the reading comprehension test I laid out with the 6 points I mentioned.
- Hunters - who by implication of their “job” use some form of stealth / sneaking in their daily life to hunt game - were part of the contract.
- Rogue-esque cow-NPCs that used “Stealth” just like player Rogues were part of the contract.
- Similarly large races like Trolls and Orcs using “Stealth” and being Rogues were part of the contract.
- Tauren actually not having “horse shoed” hooves were part of the contract
- Tauren actually having adapted bi-pedaled movement - along with a plethora of implicit and explicit movement requirements- were part of the contract.
=> It’s a - to me still amusing - failure on your end that led to you not being able to suspend your disbelief for a compound entity of things for which you already suspended disbelief on component level and / or obviously chose to simply ignore when comming up with your own rationale.
No, that’s what you (incorrectly) gave yourself as an explaination. We had “stealthed” cows during the Classic era (the often mentioned Grimtotem) and “Stealth” mechanically always worked as a form of non-magical yet still magical “invisibility” that allowed its users to stand “invisible” in broad daylight on an open plane almost next to any observer. It’s limitations compared to “actual” magical invisibility don’t change the fact that we always dealt with a form of “invisibility” there.
Again you’re just mentally filling the gaps for your personal level of suspension of disbelief.
Just to re-iterate a prior point: a 2,5 meter Troll or a 2 meter steroid infused muscle Ork doing what you’re trying to explain there is just as “absurd” and those you willingly took for granted.
Good madam, i dont know how men do things in the alliance. But on the horde Tauren men take at least 2 baths a day, scent us no issue for us!
I would ask that you no longer besmirch our proud race!
And Huell Babinoux makes sense as a pickpocket?
No one seems to have a problem with Tauren Hunters using Camouflage.
“Stealth” doesn’t mean invisible/silent. It means undetectable. Hiding in plain sight seems a reasonable way to envision it.
So just curious, anyone else going to return here with there Taruen Rogue and show off their funny and/or interesting names? As given the whole thing I would like seeing what names people come up with.
You have never had a cow sneak up on you IRL? Consider yourself lucky.
P.S. Grimtotem rogues have existed since vanilla.
They are the big sneaky sneakies