A Resolution for Teldrassil

Those statements came from Anduin’s in-the-moment POV. He has neither the personal knowledge or the claim that he’s done enough work to validate that information. Further, Elegy has passages illustrating the scale of the evacuation, and the disbelief on the part of Stormwind at the sheer number of evacuees. That post I linked quotes it directly.

Blame the Nelf Worgen for the death. If so, then my crazy scenario about Tyrande killing Greymane will be possible, because he will prevent her from executing Sylvanas, as Varian prevented Thrall.

Well atleast thousands is something we can both agree on, correct? And it could go into the millions if you count all those people (including soldiers) that died in the war. A lot of people die in wars, but again I didn’t say that she did send millions there. I said “tousands if not millions”. Also if she played a part in breaking the machinery of death, then we can safely assume millions.

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I’m still waiting for you to point out a single

BS crazy

thing I said. That’s what I made the thread for, for people to tell me if I’m being unreasonable as a “Night Elf Player”. All you did was skip the reading part to just bash on others here, and you do it constantly across several threads.

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I think that’s an incredible stretch, especially given that when the rest of the Alliance wouldn’t help Tyrande reclaim core Alliance territories, Genn was the only one who stepped up to fulfill the Alliance’s promise to its member nations. I also believe that Elegy clarified that there just weren’t a lot of Worgen to be evacuated from Darnassus. There was also nothing to indicate that there was a space issue - it was a timing and volume issue.

@ Ethriel

I wouldn’t bother engaging with Micah any longer - you had it right just a few posts earlier. She’s not here to add anything productive, at all. She just needs to be told to scram.

So few they filled up every place in Stormwind and spilled out into Elwynn.

Millions? Not likely.

:pancakes:

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Remember the Worgen. They also clogged hotels.

A few hundred thousand is most likely. Too few elves left is a relative statement anyway, we have no idea how many were actually living in the tree.

That was refering to the majority of Night Elves dying.

With millions I meant the total number of people that died because of the war Sylvanas started, and if she had a part in breaking the machinery of death, all the souls from multiple worlds that went into the maw.

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The majority comment isn’t supportable. We’re anchoring to the flawed perspective of an NPC with no ability to know what he’s talking about - he’s just reacting in the moment - and the number that devs carelessly tossed out regarding the Third War’s impact on the Quel’dorei, which is not related to Teldrassil.

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To piggy back off of that point -

Anduin says “too few” remain. Too few for what? To screw in a lightbulb? To cover the planet?

Anduin is such a drama queen, even if only one Night Elf died, he might think “too few” were left, because that one Elf shouldn’t have died!

No.

I don’t see the reason in inventing numbers especially if Blizzard has not given us even a close estimate.

The closest we see as far as numbers is the 999 we are tasked with saving. That very well could mean there wasn’t even 1000 left in the tree.

I am not making that argument - I imagine that was just a Gameplay representation, and more than 1000 were lost. That is my guess - I won’t say it is canon.

But I am not gonna invent numbers or create a larger scale than it was. The argument that less than 1000 died at least has Blizzard backed in game numbers.

And to piggyback even further - what makes this point important from a resolution perspective is that it helps to inform us what can be clarified as opposed to what needs to be changed.

For example - some have argued that there needs to be a Mass Rez event - which I think we all agree would cheapen death and by so doing impart lasting damage on any future tension the franchise hopes to achieve. But some might regard it as being necessary to resuscitate the playable race. Clarification takes that whole conversation off the table.

This isn’t to underscore that Teldrassil was terrible, from a lot of perspectives, but we should admit some nuance in understanding it, and rebuilding things in its wake.

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I see my posts have come across as needlessly hostile. I want to clarify my position: I’m not doubting that a lot of Night Elves died as a result of the WoT and BfA in general. I’ve only doubted the validity of claims that seek to put an actual number (majority = at least 51%) that is not canonically supported.

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Is it canonically refuted?

Canonically ambiguous.

:pancakes:

I’m not sure that I like where this is going from a standards-of-evidence basis. Elegy provides sufficient information to seriously dispute the worst-case-scenario narrative that I feel gets passed around to hammer in how bad this was, but like most parts of Blizzard lore - it frustratingly fails to be clear. We do not get to say, however, that in the absence of contrary evidence that the worst-case-scenario is correct.

If you are trying to hammer home how bad it is - we have a lot of other avenues with which to do that - such as the overwhelming emphasis on pathos that Blizzard slathered the event in.

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A lot of your posts come across as needlessly hostile.

I’ll give myself credit for consistency then :+1:

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It’s a poor argument, because nothing about the scale of the world is meant to be accurately represented in the game. The population of Stormwind is not a few hundred people, which is about what you get by counting the NPCs. Seeing a quest with a number of NElves doesn’t mean that’s the entirety of the local population.

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I seriously, seriously doubt that only a 1000 people died on the destruction of a major population center.

Besides, we cant take everything we see in game at face value

Important plot characters like Jaina or Thrall dont stand at 3 meters tall, the game just makes them that way to highlight them.

We took Uuna for that quest in draenor during Legion, even if lorewise we now know that we should have gotten crusaded by Yrel and company (and the portal was probably closed?)

With the right build, items, etc you can dunk on characters who should be more powerful than the player in lore

To say that millions of nelves died is unrealistic, but to say that only a thousand did is equally so

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