The top raiding guild in the world moved to Horde for the racials… What more proof do you need? LOL!
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A Link or a Screenshot, or anything that can be used as evidence.
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Go look it up bro its all out there.
You don’t seem to grasp the concept of proof. Saying something is true does not make it so. A link to an article in which Method states that their reason for transferring was racials is proof. You repeating that as their reason over and over is not.
I hate lazy crap like this. You said it. You should provide proof. eyeroll
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But then i have to play Alliance, kinda defeat the purpose.
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The problem is the horde can’t group up like the alliance.
The alliance can camp horde choke points (like flight paths and hubs) and farm the horde for raid quality gear. They can do this in multiple 5 man groups because they dont need to mobilize through areas. There is very minimal coordination required to farm a static spot. In addition, multiple parties can tag an horde player for credit.
Now reverse the situation. Horde doesnt have a quest to farm alliance that gives raid gear. On top of that, any decent reward from questing only comes after you’ve completed several quests spread out over the map. Stick together in multiple 5 man groups isnt nearly as practical or effective. Also, most quests only allow 1 party to tag npc enemies before they no longer give credit towards the quest objective…so actually sticking in groups to quest becomes more of a hinderance than an advantage.
So while alliance has raid gear to incentivise large groups sticking together to pvp while questing, horde is actually punished for it.
Either blizzard has to make horde players untagable for credit once one party attacks them, or blizzard has to allow horde to form raid parties and still get credit for quests.
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Good god, you need to read more.
You claimed the difference in pop is not because of racials. I pointed out a few times in WoW’s life people have done just that. There are a ton of people that care about racials to the point they will swap factions.
How do you think I said there was more Horde during WoD when I outright said WoD was an example of people chasing the racial advantage after Horde racials got nerfed?
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Christ-- You folks need to not worry about what everyone else is doing and just play the GD game.
–signed a lifelong Horde AND Alliance player.
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Maybe you should post a link or something instead of telling someone to go look up for proof of your own claim.
And also, 1 thing to also remind you, 1 guild =/= 99% of Alliance players that has transfered to Horde. Doesn’t even come close to 0.01%.
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How’s the faction change working out for you?
Artzie : Reaaaaaaaally nice, the Horde racials are far better than the Alliance ones, thank god we went Horde!
Vailaine: To be honest I don’t think we would have made it on Spiritbinder and Elegon as early as we did. Those kills were so close that the DPS racials give Horde players the edge once again.
Treckie: The faction benefits are hard to quantify, I still think it was a case of “the grass is always greener”, but there’s been close kills this tier, so I guess extra DPS isn’t bad. I’m sure we would have done excellently as Alliance, although most DPSers will say the complete opposite for their DPS racials!
I can’t post links but that was from an interview back in MoP
Just google Top guild Method discuss their World first.
Racials are fine now outside of some old races that need a rework on both factions.
In the past Horde had some pretty strong advantages in both PvE and PvP. At a few points Humans where pretty strong in PvP but that has changed over the years with how trinket work then an outright nurfs.
These racial advantages have made many of the top Guilds swap to Horde over the years and that has had a domino effect with Heroic raiders then more and more casual players following them.
Now the real problem is that most of the people that do hard content are Horde or swapped to Horde for an easier time recruiting.
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Yeah spam and salt usually go together.
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Bear in mind there are plenty of people who play horde not just for the racials or gear. I’ve been playing undead since forever cause I thought their casting animations looked the coolest and their whole heavy metal ideal going on for them. I never really bothered to play alliance, since most of my friends that I’ve met over the years have stuck to the horde.
You’re not wrong about the current state, but you can’t really force players to switch factions just to balance out the population. People are entitled to play the game anyway the want to. This is a problem on blizzards part for not balancing out the racials properly and including the whole sharding and cross realming. Come to think of it, it kinda feels like blizzard is indirectly trying to convince horde players to go alliance with the whole 400 IL reward and 30% bonus, rather then actaully tweaking both factions so that both would be viable for progression (not saying that they aren’t)
I’m sorry, but I just don’t wanna go alliance when I’m already having fun with my friends, and I have intentions to change that anytime soon. Honeslty if I started out as alliance I probably would still be playing on that faction today.
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It’s currently 54% Horde, 46% Alliance.
For most of WoW’s history, it was 54% Alliance and 46% Horde. Why weren’t you complaining then? Wasn’t that also a “massive” imbalance?
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We don’t know the real population difference, the most we can do is speculate.
It was fine in the past with majority Alliance because the Horde has always had most of the pvp players and raiders to make up for it. The Alliance has always had the majority of the casual player base.
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On the contrary, the tools we have to track it have been getting better and better. In vanilla all we had was the warcraftrealms census tracker. But for years we’ve had sites like realmpop that do a very good job of tracking population data.
Or it’s just Alliance hypocrisy. They’re the dominant faction for years and it’s fine. The moment there are more Horde players than Alliance players - for the first time in history - it’s an existential crisis to the game.
It’s speculation, I have like five 120 Alliance toons and zero Horde so that right there is a +5 Alliance pop from me alone.
What we can see is that Alliance group finder is a joke compared to the Hordes and Alliance were greatly outnumbered in WM but there is no way to find out the real numbers without Blizzard.
That’s because Horde players are doers. No matter how bad Horde racials have been throughout the game’s history (and there have been lengthy periods where Horde racials have been atrocious) the raiding scene since TBC has always tilted towards Horde. Because Horde players get things done.
The situation for the Alliance never improves because the Alliance playerbase refuses to accept that the problem is THEM.
*Horde players roll up their sleeves and get things done.
*Alliance players cry to Blizzard.
No matter whether it’s raiding, PvP, or even holiday events (see: Undercity being permanently flagged as neutral territory because of Alliance complaints during Halloween). That’s always the pattern.
If things are equal (see: war mode bonuses), then Horde prevails because Alliance doesn’t try. The Alliance would rather complain to Blizzard, because they KNOW that Blizzard will always bend over backwards to give the Alliance an advantage. See: free Heroic gear and triple the bonuses that Horde ever had.
The Alliance playerbase is like a spoiled child, always complaining that even though they get more candy, they just dislike that the other kids got candy at all. Because they know that teacher will always give them even more candy, just to shut them up.
As a Mythic guild recruiter, I talk to a lot of people. And a prevailing sentiment I hear, over and over, from people switching from Alliance, is that they’re simply tired of the attitude among the Alliance players.
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No, Horde has always had the best racials for most of WoW’s content.
In TBC Orcs, Trolls and Forsaken were the best. Before then the only advantage Alliance had was the Dwarf Priest fear ward.
Yes, we are the problem because we can’t win 1v5 vs Horde in WM and many of our former top players joined Horde for the racial advantage over the years.
Again you are wrong. Ion stated things where pretty balanced (Horde still had more pop.) before their sharding issues caused many Alliance to turn WM off. Then you have the PvE Horde players turn it on to gain a 10% advantage with no Alliance fighting back.
The reason, even Ion stated this so many Alliance turned WM off was because there were issues with shards that placed Alliance into shards with tons of Horde outnumbering them. I remember needing to fight 1v5 if not 1v10 every single WQ on my Warrior. Of course, we wanted Blizzard to fix this, you can’t expect us to play like that.
You say Alliance cry but look at the forums right now it’s full of people like you crying. The whole point of the AGOO quest is to get the Horde that doesn’t care about WPVP out of WM.
This is the Horde not Alliance. Look at how many of you cry when the Alliance got 370 gear that was below the average players Itemlevel. I agree 400 was too much, Ion said he is changing it to 385, again the average within the next two weeks.
Even with the massive amount of Alliance joining in for the easy heroic loot this week Ion said the buff will ‘probably’ go down to 25% for Alliance, that goes to show the difference in population.
This is the same reason I left the Horde, I’m sick of the attitude of people like you 
on other people based on their faction.
I don’t give a damn about war mode. I’m just trying to explain, yet again, to the Alliance players that their problems are of their own making. And Alliance, yet again, is trying to blame everybody but themselves.
Or, as a famous wizard once said:
Ive played both factions for 8 years. All of my friends play horde. Alliance characters I mostly play for the storyside of things though I did attempt to arena more in WoD on him.
As far as the gankfest that is Warmode ive noticed almost no differance on either side. Alliance just turned it off and are now being rewarded for failure. The loot is good for my alts but I dont agree with it.
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