I hope you reported his chat messages and kicked him from the group as soon as he started doing that.
This is true. And I’ve been pushing back on the people who say that groups of 2-5 players should not be able to queue for random battlegrounds together.
I honestly do not know where these people are coming from. I am against queue sync premades as they harm both sides, but I want to allow people to do random and epic battlegrounds together in a group of up to 5 players.
I just think the game should match groups of players vs each other, so if one team has a group of 5, the other team should as well to keep things fair.
Oh no, I don’t claim that guy. That sounds like the type of person who blames their losing streak in Blitz at 1400 rating on premades too. Literally nobody should listen to them.
I think you’re reading more into this single experience than you really should. This was one guy, a sore loser who went out of their way to hurl insults at other players because they couldn’t handle losing. They were also probably the worst player on their team too.
That does not invalidate all the very real arguments against queue sync premades or the arguments for pitting groups of 5 against each other for more fair and balanced matches.
That’s how some people circumvent restrictions to bring their premade raids into random bgs. They’re taking steps (i.e. sync queue, drop unsynced queue pops, requeue, etc.) to unfairly stack their team. Their team is no longer as random as the other side and this usually results in an extremely lopsided game that drives people away from PvP.
Let’s not forget all the games that are also ruined whenever premade raids mass drop their queue pops. Those bgs begin with one team missing half their players.
This is a problem for PvPers who respect the spirit of fair play and care about the growth/health of the PvP community.
Wait, I may have misunderstood what I was reading here…
How many people exactly were in that BG from your guild? When I originally read this, I assumed it was simply a normal 5 person group.
The main difference between 10-15 solos and 10-15 people from the same guild is that everyone in the guild group is going to try. Even with no communication, it’s just a difference experience.
It wouldn’t justify his behavior if there were more than 5 of you, but it would explain the frustration.
Yeah if it’s a 5 player group, that’s fine. Blizzard should make groups face other groups, but it’s fine.
If it’s a 6+ player sync group, then that’s not cool.
Does not give that other player any excuses to say what they did of course.
it really just comes down to how you value your time. if gold is just a means to an end, then you look for the most time efficient way of acquiring it.
As much as we might not like it, the Vicious Bloodstone farm is real. Those are selling for 7k gold each on my server as of yesterday.
Completely separate issue, playing with a friends group up to 5, primarily for fun, even up to the end of the season is fine. Fun is suppose to be the largest reward from participating. Those fighting Vs 5 players that play well together may think they are facing a queue sync team. It can happen, but likely isn’t as often as some might think. I DO prefer Solo BGs as I like the low total teammate number and the maximum 2 healer limit, but BG with friends are nice too, much more fun than BGs without friends.
If there was no gear to get, no achievements, no rewards of any kind people would still bg. They would also still group with friends to bg. There does not need to be an incentive for me to go in
“There’s no quest telling me to go into a BG… What do I do now?”
I get his frustration. If you have been queueing for a few hours solo and all that you’ve been facing is premades as a solo queue and the only way out of this loss streak is to join one then I would be frustrated to.
I find whenever I premade my win rate is about 80+% and they are usually stomps against others pugs and not against another premade. Those games get boring fast especially when you’ve GY stomped the last 3 battlegrounds.
Sure, people want to play together I get that but they should be facing other premades and let the pugs slaughter each other.
Some people would be against this idea becasue then they can’t get their GY stomping wins.
Completely ironic you go on about him being foul mouthed and toxic when you come to the forums and do exactly as you are “against”
Unfortunately for some to “enjoy battlegrounds” means stacking a full Bis team with flasks etc to stomp on pugs
I see this quite a bit, too (on Alliance). I guess it’s just easier on the ego to convince yourself that it’s all rigged and you never had a chance. I hate to say it, since it’s such an overused buzzword, but it’s cope.
“They’re focusing me!” is my favorite. I don’t know why, but it usually comes from an under-geared hunter, or some other character that no one would have any reason to bother focusing.
Even before cross-realm grouping was possible, some players would freak out if they saw more than two from the same server, declaring it a loss before the gates were open.
Some premades are beatable. Some will start to self-destruct if you don’t roll over for them. Sometimes you can tell when the other team is bickering in their chat.
And then, well, sometimes you lose. That’s just PvP.
I assume OP is talking about regular BGs (not epics)?
Anyway, I hear what he’s saying. I still think groups should be matched against groups, and I’m not convinced the game does that. It definitely doesn’t for epic BGs.
Unfortunately there’s just so many people playing now who absolutely believe everything in unrated PvP must be solo-queue-only, when that was never how the game was designed. They won’t be ‘happy’ unless blizz changes it to be that way, but then they’ll find something else to complain about.
Even when nothing nefarious is afoot, you could have a team of two queue together from one faction and no other queued groups on their team face two five man parties. If the 5man parties are at least communicating with their own 5 man and trying they should win with that good communication on their side.
In a random today with just me and my gf queuing together in EotS, she went DR, I went mid, someone else capped MT. In the next 30 seconds the horde had all 4 bases AND we didnt have the flag, not that it mattered.
Every time we got a base it was sat by a single defender, attacked by 3 enemies and we would lose it immediately again. The enemy team was not only communicating, they were working as a team and traveling in groups. The players on my team were just like “but why did you lose the base?!?” In respose to being told the single sitters were both attacked by 3 players each. Obviously the base was lost because most individuals can’t solo defend Vs 3 good players. Was it a queue syncing team? Who knows, doesn’t really matter, we got out played and hopefully learned a lesson…bring your own 5 man and triple sit when you see only half of the enemies are in middle I suppose.
How were you getting all of your guildies in? How many of you were getting in?
The guy who got mad at you couldn’t tell what you were or how many of you were getting in. Get mad at people who run these all the time and rofl stomp not someone who figured you were one of those guys.
This right here is the problem. The match making is horrible no matter if you are manipulating or not. That is just no fun. Premades cause that quite a bit and mess it up for everyone.
Who exactly are you mad at here? People who were pissed because they can’t have a pick up game that isn’t crazy lopsided?
Most people in premades also aren’t ‘good’, contrary to the post further up and are carried by the fact that they’re a coordinated group beating up on people that aren’t in a coordinated group.
There’s a reason these guilds are 95% people that can’t break 1800 in any bracket ( including the super hard and exclusive BGB bracket )
The more I read the OP, the more I’m thinking that he was queue sync’ing and may have actually been one of those groups that drive people crazy.
Again, doesn’t excuse the behavior in the slightest, but it’s also frustrating that he’s exactly the thing he claims not to be and the problem is claims not to believe is actually real.
I’m hoping I’m just second guessing myself, but yeahhh…
while i whole heartedly agree with this sentiment and have old posts saying the same thing, it doesn’t take away from the number of premades people DO actually run into either.
i personally have quit que’ing regular bgs, just due to game quality. if i random que i just run into stomps in wg or tp. i’m not sure in the last two expansion if ive ran 20 regular bgs that were random que that wasn’t one of those two, due to the frequency of them. sometimes manually que arathi basin but the que time is forever long.
in epics, i do think people just say “its a premade” being doomers or just whining. but i’d also say 1/5 if not 1/4 of my games are with or against a premade.
my biggest qualm is the wasted time about it, there is not many chances to turn around a game you join in progress that is 21 vs 38, and fills slightly more after 5+ minutes. while i would enjoy a actual solo que epic, i’d also be happy with not being put into 10+ minute old instances that are nearly over or on farm status.
i also just want to touch on this. i’ll never understand some of the prominent anti premade people, who act like the premades are only taking fully geared people into bgs. i used to play with SoD then DJL on and off and they never once asked or cared about peoples gear. it was just have space and inviting whoever said “me” that i ever saw. the exact opposite of try harding.
