Why are we ignoring Teldrassil when we’re counting Elwynn Forest, Dun Morogh, Durotar, Mulgore, and Tirisfal Glades–isn’t it basically just the same as those zones, if you set aside Darnassus?
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I don’t really get your point, the Horde got full control of Ashenvale in BfA and not 10 years ago and it’s just a stupid and biased move from the writers, nothing else.
I can quest and level through Ashenvale just fine with an ally character. Bias? Oh boy…
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Because I confused Teldrassil with Darnassus. Admit it, you’ve done it too!
The point is that the writers decided to give the Horde Ashenvale in the lore for no reason… I’m pretty sure zones were already balanced before BfA and now they are preparing to make it a Horde zone in the next world revamp just to once again spite Night Elf fans.
I heard they’re removing Nelfs from the entire game and burning effigies of Tyrande and Malfurion at next years Blizzcon.
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please, Lord God.
Well jokes on you, Night Elves are currently removed from the Alpha.
On a more serious note, they seem to be slowly getting rid of everything Night Elf related from the game’s setting. Their lands either conquered by the Horde or destroyed, their people dead and soon their leader(s) dead too if Alpha voicelines are to trust.
Night Elves will be fine. There are plenty of other races in the game that have barely any lore what so ever and Blizzard could care less. Even a lot of races that have lore, the lore sucks. Like could you imagine being a Tauren fan, one of the original races who were led by the amazing Cairne, only to now be led by Anduin’s horned side piece. Or a troll fan, 90% of the games history we mass murder all trolls and as soon as Vol’Jin gets in power he gets killed in the weakest way possible only for Sylvanas of all people to take over. Zandalari are cool, yet we have a whole raid dedicated to killing their long time king.
Night Elves usually get to show up multiple times per xpac, hell I had to follow Malfurion around In Legion while he screamed “Tyrandeeeeeeee” or “Shandoooooo” every 30 seconds, follow that up by Tyrande talking down to me in her Troll accent. Night Elves are basically getting a whole zone with a nature Druidism feel to it in Shadowlands.
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Oh, definitely. I’ve also confused Lordaeron with Tirisfal Glades.
But if Teldrassil counts, then the Alliance had six fully controlled zones at launch to the Horde’s five. Which actually strengthens your argument, I think.
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Your argument was:
…And that’s manifestly, demonstrably untrue. With evidence and data.
In the entire run of the entire game, 2004 to today, exactly one zone, JUST ONE, has had its “allegiance” change - Azshara switched from neutral / contested to Horde. That’s the only one. A second zone, Hillsbrad, went from neutral / contested, to contested, favoring the Horde. Arguably this was done to address a one-zone disparity in the number of Alliance vs. Horde zones and “contested favored” zones.
And both Undercity and Darnassus are smoldering ruins, the Alliance is in control of Silverpine and Tirisfal, and many other level 110+ Expansion-specific changes. I can log in right now and make up a forsaken or a night elf and where do I start? Tirisfal and Teldrassil. I can jog them over to a fully-functioning Undercity or Darnassus easy as pie.
These changes are expansion-specific. They are impermanent. Ashenvale will revert back to its default status of “contested.” Undercity and Darnassus will be rebuilt (with updated graphics that both cities desperately needed). Silverpine will go back to the Horde.
Because this is the pattern that every expansion has followed. Every new expansion resets at the status quo.
I haven’t seen anyone in the Story forum praising the genius of WoW’s writers. have you? Granted I don’t read every single thread so maybe it’s out there but what i’m seeing is mostly disappointment. My take is that game writers are great at doing single-player games with a clear beginning and end, and that skill falls apart when placed into a continuous, never-ending MMO story. To reference what Anyaceltica said upthread, WoW’s writing team needs to take pointers from good Dungeon Masters. hell they’ve got Matt Mercer’s number, use him for more than Rexxar and random NPC fights.
As for bias? Boy if you don’t…
60% of the game’s lore is Night Elf stuff (most of the remaining 40% is orcs and Trolls, so hey I guess, HoRdE bIaS). Night Elves are so centered in the game that their lore actually overtook and replaced Worgen Lore. Sink that one in; the game is so obsessed with Night Elves being the absolute locus of all history and important events, that another Alliance race got shafted just to make MORE space for MORE night elf lore.
If they ARE putting Night Elves in the back seat, cool, maybe some other race with zero lore worth mention will get some space. Like Gnomes. or Worgen. Or Tauren. or Goblins. But since the expansion has a whole dang “Mystical woodland emerald Dreamy Druid thing With Ysera and Elune and stuff” zone going on I KINDA DOUBT IT.
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This is just me being pedantic, but: Alterac Mountains, a second contested zone, got folded into Hillsbrad Foothills in the process, but IMO this was probably compensated for by the always-contested STV getting split into two zones.
I legitmately forgot Alterac Mountains existed as a separate zone. Wasn’t it like, the same size as the Gurubashi Arena or something doofus like that?
“And nothing of value was lost” I guess.
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It was a bit bigger than that, but it had no towns or flight points for Horde, Alliance, neutral or otherwise, and all of the quests that sent you into Alterac Mountains came from… Hillsbrad Foothills, making it pretty easy to just assume it was a northern extension of that zone.
Blizzard just made the reality on the ground into an official status.
As an aside, it’s interesting to see you list out the zones like that and see how little actually changed. So much hue and cry has been raised over the Horde getting Azshara and Southshore being destroyed that it was actually very easy to forget how little changed. Additionally, it’s funny that Redridge is a “contested” zone because it’s extremely impractical for Horde players to enter at the zone’s level, and I think there’s still no content for the Horde at all there.
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I believe in TBC or WotLK they added a neutral Syndicate flight point in Strahnbrad but was obviously replaced by the now Horde-controlled one.
‘Contested’ zones originally didn’t mean specifically that Horde and Alliance were fighting over the zone. Redridge is contested because of the Dragonmaw Orcs being there–both the Alliance and Horde would be attacked by them on sight. Usually contested zones were such because a neutral faction actually controlled the zone.
Shush! You can’t imply that Ardeweald is designed overwhelmingly with Night Elf themes in mind or people will show up to explain how it’s actually a totally neutral zone, as evident by the fact that it has that one quest line and a subarea (of which we have zero pics or details) dealing with the Loa.
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its hard to be sad for the Night elves when certain posters wont shut up about it.
As a troll fan i must resist the urge to be snarky.
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