problem is to get better jobs in the company you have to get in on the ground floor, either way it still sucks
trent reznor found happiness in slavery
I believe that.
Im currently shopping for a couch or love seat type recliner for our living room.
yeah…googling it wasnt a good idea ![:flushed:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/flushed.png?v=6" ":flushed:")
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Yep, because “keeping a clean reputation for a future job” =slavery nowadays. GD, you need to stop with being melodramatic.
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Sorry. Seeing 800 families left wondering where their next meal is coming from so some capitalist scumbags can take 18 million dollar bonuses and do 1.5 billion dollar stock buybacks has a way of ruffling my conformity.
Deal with it.
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And like I said, several bloody times, which apparently you didn’t read, I don’t support what happened. For goodness sakes. Read before you speak.
And also?
“Wondering about their next meal” is exaggerating. Yes, it’s terrible that they lost their jobs, but they’re not on the bloody streets for goodness sakes.
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“Just 39% of Americans say they have enough savings to cover a $1,000 emergency room visit or car repair.”
Millions of Americans are one pay check away from the street
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-are-one-medical-emergency-away-from-financial-disaster-2017-01-12
These people being let go were being gouged for $11 bucks an hour, for the most part. “Temporary full time” is the accepted capitalist rationale: Basically worked just shy of qualifying for benefits of any kind, but still given all the responsibility and work load of full time labor.
We lost our soul with the breaking of American unions and the granting of corporations the rights of individuals. Free to destabilize democratic elections. Free to marginalize worker’s rights with impunity with virtually no regulation or oversight.
Amazon, the company of the wealthiest man in the world, is paying ZERO taxes for the 2nd year in a row. Meanwhile the majority of Americans can’t afford health insurance.
Exaggerating? I don’t think that is possible given the disgusting travesty we have become.
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Didn’t take long for the MAGAts to show up and infest this thread…
Anyways, I agree with everything in the article. Suffice to say, I’m not a happy camper with management right now…
I’m not talking about those other companies, I’m talking about what Blizzard did. They gave a severance package–they should have trained these workers into other positions in the company. But at least they didn’t end up actually kicking them to the curve with nothing like most organizations. What they did was terrible, in my opinion. I’m not discounting that, and I said it several times.
The takeaway from what I’ve been trying to say is that being careful so that you can get a job later in life and make money to support yourself is a smart idea. That’s legit, all I’ve been trying to say, along with “Blizzard could have done something way worse than they did by not giving anything.”
Which isn’t right at all, and I agree. There does need to be major restructuring of several things, I’m not going to discount that. But that’s big picture, and that’s not my point, because this is a video game forum and I don’t feel like discussing either economics or politics.
Legit. My message. Was just. “Be careful so that you don’t ruin your chance at a future job.” That’s all.
So:
- Bringing politics into this thread is ridiculous.
- Are you really claiming that I’m MAGA? Seriously? You’re making me crack up. No one’s ever said something as ridiculous to me before.
- TIL: Giving advice as to not ruin a reputation for a future job = MAGA. Alrighty then.
You people need to honestly take a break.
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I respect that and I totally get what you are saying.
I just find it detestable that these filthy corporations rule all our lives. As bad as things get, we have no choice but to kowtow and censor our outrage so we can make ourselves look good when we apply to the next filthy corporation, because our lives and families depend on it.
Is it good advice? Sure, things being what they are.
Seeing these executives take 10 million+ bonuses still makes me long for the days of the French Revolution. Perhaps it will come to that, not by my hand, but perhaps, and on that day, I will shed no tears.
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There’s a lot of truth in what you say and its because I know these things to be true as I have a family member who went through something similar way before the digital age of social media, reputation is super important even more so now.
He worked for a union company back in the late 80’s and the company he worked for was notorious for laying people off prior to having 5 years seniority. Well, he worked there about 6 months before the first layoff. Then they call him back work a month or something, then laid off again for a month, and on and on it went for years.
The moral of the story is that he couldn’t get hired any place else in his field while he was laid off because as soon as the potential employer found out where he was laid off from, they refused to hire him stating that they will not hire anyone from that company because history has shown that everytime one of them employees are called back from lay off, they always quit their new found job and returned to the former employer because the pay and benefits were so good. He said it was something like 24 something per hour back in 1990 and full company paid health insurance. So he chose to take the unemployment checks instead of seeking employment.
He managed to get enough time in to not be laid off again for some years, but the final lay off for him came when he had 12 years seniority. His option was to move to another state to stay with the company or take permanent lay off. He took permanent layoff instead of uprooting his family, trying to sell the house and move 1400 miles away.
So in this case it was the reputation of both the employer and the employees who were at fault.
Just chiming in to say that this was a rather horrible thing to say to someone - are you really going with “you’re unemployed and, therefore, a fool” here? Because, yikes.
The article linked discusses, specifically, the (unfortunately common) tactic of taking someone in a permanent role, firing them, and then re-hiring them as a non-full-time staff member in order to avoid giving them benefits - benefits such as severance packages, for example.
“Wondering about their next meal” is in no way exaggerating - you’re not showing a very solid understanding of just how tight a lot of these people’s finances are going to be in this situation. And frankly, that’s coming across as if you, personally, have no financial issues, and therefore can’t see that someone else, somewhere, might.
It’s also worth bearing in mind that even those who DID get severance are likely wondering about whether they’ll need to uproot their entire lives just to find employment in time to NOT be wondering about their next meal. Which is the same thing, at the end of the day.
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You know what we can do though, and must? And unlike someone, I really don’t want to get political. But this advice is not. We need to go out, do research, and vote. Vote vote vote, it’s all we can do. We can also peacefully protest, if we need to. (I would love to do that sometime, should I find the time when not studying for college).
And do I think that the executive taking that is a terrible thing? You bet. I’m not a happy camper right now, and the outrage is entirely understandable.
I encourage you to actually read the conversation rather than making a knee-jerk reaction. He said so himself that he made a bad decision–I was repeating what he said. If you scroll up, you can see. If you don’t bother, however, I wouldn’t be surprised, since you didn’t look into the actual story in the bloody first place.
You’re also nitpicking what I’m saying. Once again, for the thousandth time, I said that this is a terrible decision that I don’t agree with. And once again, as I repeat for the thousandth time, they’re not leaving with nothing at all. But that would require research and thought.
Okay, so, I actually did read the conversation, and what he said was that he was in (what sounds like) a tough financial position due to making an unselfish decision. He then quoted a video game character’s philosophical statement that amounted to, essentially, that if you decide to work under bad conditions you’re a fool.
And in response you have posited that he is a fool for having a tough time right now.
Which is in no way misreading anything at all.
So that “yikes” stands, I guess.
Have you read the article? Because while I understand that you’re saying a bad thing has happened, repeating “they’re not leaving with nothing at all” over and over is making it sound like you haven’t.
The article is specifically discussing people let go from part-time positions without severance pay or insurance to back them up. But you keep quoting the press release talking about severance packages and job assistance which - again - are things only going to permanent full-time employees (at least, according to the article).
Those two things aren’t the same.
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First–that article was from several years ago, and nothing to do with the current layoffs. Yes, I read it. Do you have a source for any employees that didn’t get anything at all? Because, as they said in their message, all of them did.
My response to him, by the way, was directly repeating what he said, so again, I know that you didn’t read the entire conversation. I’m not going to bother quoting anymore either, because you won’t even read that.
And yes, I keep repeating “they’re not leaving with nothing” because it’s true. Once again, for the thousandth time, I don’t think they should have lost their jobs. Not once… not once did I say that. I said 2 things.
- That ranting might inhibit getting a job later, so being careful might be a good thing, but I understand that this is out of passion.
- People claim they were kicked to the curve with 0, nada, nothing at all, but that is not true, based on the sources I shared right there. If you have an official counter source, by all means, share it.
What I think Blizzard should have done? Trained them for different positions within the company, if they made so much and seek to expand, that would be the smart thing. I am no expert on economics however, so can’t make any such claim.
Someone pointed out to me in this thread that there are laws protecting people when making rants such as this, however, which is good and I’m happy for them. My initial advice wasn’t malicious at all, nor did I intend on it being so, but people are now jumping right to insults, calling me: “A fool”, “self-absorbed” and “a slave” for trying to give a simple word of advice.
It’s been blown way out of proportion, and quite frankly I’m sick of my words being twisted, people flinging insults at me and then playing victim when I call them out, and claiming I’m something I am not.
For the record, I wasn’t calling you a slave. I was merely pointing out that we the people who are so leveraged by these filthy corporations as to be living paycheck to paycheck while inhuman executives rake in 10 million dollar bonuses and dodge paying their fair share (or anything at all) in taxes are ALL made slaves by this disgrace that has become of our once proud nation that allows it.
Nihilistic greed truly is the post modern god.
That’s fair. My annoyance is mostly pointed at the other warlock who tosses insults, then backs off and plays victim when I call him out and use his own words against him.
As for that, it’s nonsense and change needs to happen. That I agree with. But I don’t speak of it much on a video games forum, a) because we’re not allowed to, and b) because if you think what I’ve said is bad… you should see some of the other posters, who have said some very nasty things. (granted, that’s nothing compared to what could be said if these forums had no filter or rules. I’ve seen stuff on facebook and have to bite my tongue now to avoid getting into arguments about the climate.)
The most frustrating thing is that we’re likely all on the same side, here, and don’t think it’s right as to what’s happening with the state of things right now.
$11 an hour? Can you live on that where he is at? Sounds like the wage you have for some throwaway job you’re supposed to rise up from when you get more education and experience. I hope this person didn’t make $11 an hour for ten years. That would show a real lack of ambition.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is all the fuss about? These are non dev related jobs. I want to see the lighter side and say this stuff can be a good sign to save and reinvest into the dev department.
How is working customer support for 10 years a career? It’s non essential, it’s not a secure job at all. full time at 11 an hour for 10 years? Most high schoolers can make make 11/12 out of high school if the are really lucky. I was making 10.35 doing temp routes for UPS before.
I dont at all understand. This is clearly written by someone hoping to ride off the hype of people who think they are killing the dev department or the art department.
I see this as well and reached the same conclusion. Sometimes our situation becomes so frustrating that the only way we can summon up the will to continue to endure the madness of this upside-down world is to fight, even if we are ultimately fighting ourselves, potentially alienating those who might have been our allies.
They say you always hurt the ones you love. Perhaps that is because they are the only ones who are willing to listen even when all the world is driving us to anger and frustration. Of course we always regret things spoken in anger later after the fact, especially since the person we spoke them to were the last ones we would ever intend them for.
We are all helpless and hurting and fighting amongst ourselves only strengthens the position of the soulless scumbags who run this monopolistic house of horrors.
If there is any justice in the universe, may it visit upon the greedy all the suffering they have inflicted upon the world.
Amen.
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