the man was speaking from his own personal experience
i don’t see the point of this aggression
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…And I’m speaking from mine? Am I not allowed to discuss what affects me?
you are but maybe you should consider the tone you’re speaking with
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Tone policing is another way to rob disadvantaged groups of their voice. Think about that before you deign to speak to me at all, because you’re developing a habit of it.
I think a good way to think about it is if Blizzard made a character in a wheelchair and made jokes about how they couldn’t walk would that be acceptable portrayal of the disabled? Most people understand that, no that would not be acceptable whatsoever. So we shouldn’t accept the same kind of thing for representations of lgbt people.
Maybe consider I’m in the same exact group that this current discussion is talking about, and that choosing to act high and mighty does not make a good impression. “Deign to speak to you”, I didn’t realize you were so important.
This game is awful at all kinds of representation. There’s hardly a good scrap of it in the pile. Going to change it by talking like this isn’t necessarily going to change any minds.
Though, I wouldn’t pass on the idea that Cata-era Blizzard would make a poor taste gay joke. It seems right up their alley.
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Ok.
I guess I’m the bad guy.
How’s the weather.
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I am not bothered by it, they kinda proved my point of them being uncharitable. You’re not going to have productive conversations with angry people on the internet. I am punching out of this conversation, I am not going to presume to tell you what to do but I think any attempt to talk will be wasting your breath.
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I figured. It’s kinda how it goes here.
The amount of times someone gets mad and derails a conversation because people object to what they’re saying or don’t like the way they’re carrying themselves… it’s often.
The very idea of self-reflection is absurd.
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To think I was accused of being high and mighty. Jesus Christ.
8.3 is just more proof that the team at Blizzard is very lost, and they need a map to get home. Their playerbase is filled to the brim with people who lack good representation, and so dearly clutch to other forms of media to find it. So when the promised form of representation is… not there, it’s very obvious what’s going on.
It’s a lie to keep people paying. As long as Blizzard answers to China, the representation we seek will likely be a pipe dream. It took me a while to realize who I was, what I was. When I came to the conclusion, it became particularly egregious to see how easy it was to NOT represent a large and growing section of the world population.
They’re able to ship off straight romance with ease, even if it’s cheesy and as poorly executed as the rest of the content, but the prospect of making at least one somewhat important lgbt couple seems more far fetched than us getting a decent story. Even throwaway npcs can only be slightly implied.
So much of Warcraft is romance, even if people want to deny it. The amount of quests that rely on relationships in my experience is… quite vast. You’d think they’d be able to make at least one of those LGBT, and it’d be fine. Fear the almighty dollar, because even one is too much. They’re fine with making more undead and just covering them up, but when it comes to the gays? Impossible.
Like… there’s gotta be an agenda there. They’re fine with making content that’s seen as taboo in other countries and just covering it up for their release, but they just aren’t willing to give gay representation to cover it up for other releases?
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I wonder if she wrote this gem.
My brain broke for a moment when I watched it, and I thought it couldn’t possibly be correct – especially with how smug baby black dragon guy was with his retort.
Like “It’s too bad about your old man who I probably had a direct/indirect role in getting killed(which if I’m remembering correctly is talked about in-depth outside of the game in some book. I guess books are required reading for understanding the story in-game now). But you know who killed my dad? Old gods. Let’s go kill them instead of me because that makes sense.”
Clarify: I know what the writers were intending(ham-fistedly) with Anduin’s uncharacteristic anger and overt-old-god-temple-rubbing ‘omg i have a head hurt’. It was just the response that fell so utterly flat and was inconsistent with the scene that makes me cringe.
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I agree generally with that. I’ll take your word on the number of romantic quests in WoW, other than Mankirk’s wife I can’t really think of any and that one only sticks out to me because its a WoW meme. I really don’t think that a company based in one of the most socially progressive parts of America really has hostility towards LGBTQ people. They just like China’s money more. It is something that honestly really pisses me off because in a way we’re allowing a dictatorship to censor the work of a society with free expression.
I am not bothered at all by the idea of same sex couples in the game or lore, that’s totally fine and if it makes someone happy to see then its cool I am happy for them. I just hold the position that all of the romances are really hammy and kinda embarrassing and they never did anything for me.
The way I read it was more or less Wrathion trying to deflect springboarding off of what Anduin said and reminding him that they have a mutual enemy that they should focus on, with Anduin relenting because he’s the level-headed one, though I must admit, it is a tad silly.
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That was the impression I got as well.
I saw everyone replying right away and added this in, just not fast enough apparently.
I’m gonna be blunt and say it isn’t hard to write something fluffy to add some world-building to a setting and include the LGBTQ crowd with at least a few characters.
Let me just stick the ol’ finger down the throat and we’re off.
Horde Players encounter Rograd the Seeker, an Orc Warrior, who needs their help getting up a fortified mountain-side to where his life-mate and several other Horde adventurers are trapped behind enemy lines.
You’re running up and Rograd is being an absolute gem, talking about going home soon with his mate and looking after raising their children full-time on a wolf-ranch in the Barrens. He’s Sparta-kicking enemies off the edges of cliffs, being annoying when you stop to do something because his mate is in danger, asking if you’ve ever been in love, the works, you beat the mini-boss, get to the top, the Horde adventurers have taken shelter in a cave and a Tauren steps out, carrying a badly wounded Orc woman in his arms.
“Hero, take her, she is badly wounded … as are we all. I cannot carry her anymore.”
You rush up, take the wounded Orc … Rograd rushes up and embraces the Tauren and asks where he’s injured.
Congratulations, you’ve just met Rograd and Turrek, a married couple. A gay married couple. With kids.
Have them pop up from time to time, shopping for supplies in Orgrimmar, with Rograd saying he wants to grab a small axe for their daughter, and Turrek sighing and pointing out little Ginta is already beating up her older brothers, they are not giving her a weapon … they are getting weapons for the twins to even the odds instead. Ginta is getting a wolf pup instead.
Have Rograd and Turrek pop up every now and again, two rough and proud Horde heroes who can’t stop gushing about their children, their ranch or each other.
For the Alliance, we could have a Night Elf priest tasking the players to round up some supplies to help displaced Kaldorei and Worgen refugees make a go of it in Elwynn Forest and Redridge, and you stumble across a small farm where somebody’s trying to grow herbs from Draenor without much success until you show them how to properly tend to them. You get a sample of herbs and meander your way back. Night Elf priest is stunned to see fresh Frostweed, and asks for the herbs for their own use. They then tell you they’ll ask for your aid again later, they have experiments to run.
A few ‘days’ later, the NPC Priest sends you a letter asking you to come back, where they’ve created a small herb garden and, of all things, a series of ponds in which they are tending to a burgeoning population of exotic fish, and they explain there was a specific potion that was made by the Draenei on Draenor, but with the destruction of the planet and the loss of so many lives, both the reagents and the knowledge to produce it was lost. The Kaldorei had a similar potion, but since theirs was arcane -based, the knowledge was lost when the Highborne left and those that returned never bothered to bring their records of such an obscure tincture.
After much trial and error and asking the player to assist them with producing oil from a variety of fishes, the tincture is made and the Night Elf Priest manages to produce a single tincture … and applies a drop of moonwell water to the mix, and then downs it.
The Priest turns into a Priestess, and then starts crying, thanking the player as they’ve been seeking a way to be true to themselves for thousands of years, and with the destruction of their small herb-garden in Teldrassil, they’ve been unable to supply themselves with the tincture they’d learned of in Draenor, lamenting how hard it has been to tend to their people when they haven’t been able to be ‘themselves’ since the disaster.
Night Elf Priestess is then seen wandering around Stormwind with refugees from Teldrassil in tow, discussing how they can help the people of the Alliance and the creation of a Moonwell within Stormwind itself, and discussing points of theology with a Tidesage, a Lightforged Vindicator and a Gnomish Priest at various points of her patrol.
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Just give Blizz your resume.
Bold of you to assume Blizzard hires based on qualification.
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I always thought mankrik was a goblin…
Never did barrons questing lol