5% Buff... Am I calculating wrong?

Classes Hunter
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Last night, before I logged for the night, I wrote down the tooltip damage of my abilities. This morning, I compared them to the new numbers with the 5% buff. I’m not sure if I’m missing something here…

Ability : Before : After : % Difference

Barbed Shot : 26,094 : 27,125 : 3.95%
Cobra Shot : 17,979 : 18,690 : 3.95%
Kill Command : 28,990 : 30,052 : 3.66%
Multi-Shot : 1,548 : 1,610 : 4.00%
Kill Shot : 31,097 : 32,326 : 3.95%
Bestial Wrath : 8,252 : 8,555 : 3.67%
Death Chakram : 7,768 : 8,075 : 3.95%

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You probably had a buff or a piece of different gear on when you took down the initial amounts. Also, its closer to a 4.9% buff than 5%, since the 5% was added onto a passive, hidden aura that was already at 2%, increasing it to 7%. 1.07/1.02=1.049, effectively a 4.9% damage increase. Logging my alt hunter onto the 10.1.5 ptr, which has not been updated to receive the BM buffs, can confirm its roughly a 4.9% damage increase.

Spell Ptr Live
Barbed shot 16,953 17,784
Cobra shot 10,157 10,655
Kill Command 17,524 18,383
Multi-shot 1,006 1,055
Kill shot 20,203 21,194
Bestial Wrath 4,988 5,233
Death Chakram 5,047 5,294
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The numbers I posted are with the exact same gear. No buffs. I hadn’t even chosen anything from the vault yet when I wrote them down.

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I have no way of verifying the way you tested things, which is why I already moved ahead and tested it myself in a way that can be replicated. at least until they push the live changes to the 10.1.5 ptr. I highly doubt that going from 390 ilvl to 440 ilvl causes the damage buff to just randomly not be 4.9% anymore. The aura passive is always 7% whereas it was previously always 2%. So I attribute it to user error instead as I have no way of ruling it out.

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Well, just logged into the 10.1.5 PTR and the numbers I have for last night (before reset) are exactly the same as they were on live. Not a single numeral different, which means my findings are as I’ve shown.

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Well I guess I got a 5% buff and you only got a 4% buff, sorry pal, you drew the short end of the stick this time.
ヽ(。_°)ノ

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Am I missing something here when u guys talk about 10.1.5? Thought these buffs were live now on weekly restart? Cause if its for PTR makes sense to see no change on live

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PTR hasn’t been updated with the buffs that went live today. They were using that to get their “before” numbers to determine how much of a buff they got.

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So to confirm my doubt here, the buffs are on live servers or this is PTR buffs for 10.1.5?

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They are live today. I just don’t think it’s a full 5%. Sims aren’t updated yet, but my tooltip numbers show slightly less than 4% increase.

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right I gotcha now cause this was my concern too as I didn’t believe I was hitting a whole 5% harder by any means.

blizz has got to be kidding with their hidden numbers

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Nightly sims are updated. You’re simming at a 4.86% increase in ST.

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And where are you getting these numbers?

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It was only 30 seconds cmon bro, I need time to update my post.

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The obvious issue here is that sims are based on that 5% buff - not what I’m actually seeing in game.

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Only thing that changed was simc build from weekly to nightly. 4.86% damage. Autoshot and trinket damage % went down as those were unchanged. Simc however had the bm passive at 1.5% instead of 2% before, making it a 5.42% increase to those abilities instead of 4.9%.

This is the spelldata itself for the hidden aura

Name             : Beast Mastery Hunter (id=137015) [Spell Family (9), Passive, Hidden] 
Class            : Beast Mastery Hunter
School           : Physical
Spell Type       : None
Attributes       : ....x.xx x....... ........ ........   ........ ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   ........ ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   ........ ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   ........ ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   ........ ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   ........ ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   x....... ........ ........ ........ 
                 : ........ ........ ........ ........   
                 : Is Ability (4), Passive (6), Do Not Display (Spellbook, Aura Icon, Combat Log) (7), Do Not Log (8), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects          :
#1 (id=179698)   : Apply Aura (6) | Add Percent Modifier (108): Spell Direct Amount (0)
                   Base Value: 7 | Scaled Value: 7 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Self (1)
                   Affected Spells: Multi-Shot (2643), Aimed Shot (19434), Kill Command (34026), Kill Shot (53351), Steady Shot (56641), Barrage (120361), A Murder of Crows (131900), Steel Trap (162487), Chimaera Shot (171454), Chimaera Shot (171457), Arcane Shot (185358), Raptor Strike (186270), Bursting Shot (186387), Carve (187708), Wind Arrow (191043), Cobra Shot (193455), Stomp (199530), Stampede (201594), Fury of the Eagle (203413), Butchery (212436), Explosive Shot (212680), Barbed Shot (217200), Rapid Fire (257045), Multi-Shot (257620), Mongoose Bite (259387), Chakrams (259396), Chakrams (259398), Kill Command (259489), Violent Reaction (260231), Volley (260247), Rapid Fire (263585), Wildfire Bomb (265157), Raptor Strike (265189), Mongoose Bite (265888), Chakrams (267666), Wildfire Bomb (269747), Flanking Strike (269751), Flanking Strike (269752), Pheromone Bomb (270329), Pheromone Bomb (270332), Shrapnel Bomb (270338), Shrapnel Bomb (270339), Volatile Bomb (271048), Volatile Bomb (271049), Harpoon (271625), Serpent Sting (271788), Wildfire Cluster (272745), Latent Poison (273289), Multi-Shot (278565), Resonating Arrow (308495), Kill Shot (320976), Bloodshed (321530), Bloodshed (321538), Flayed Shot (324149), Death Chakram (325028), Death Chakram (325037), Wild Spirits (328757), Wild Spirits (328837), Wildfire Cluster (336899), Chimaera Shot (344120), Chimaera Shot (344121), Wailing Arrow (354831), Wailing Arrow (355589), Wailing Arrow (355596), Coordinated Assault (360969), Death Chakram (361756), Death Chakram (375891), Death Chakram (375893), Spearhead (378957), Arctic Bola (390232), Wailing Arrow (392058), Wailing Arrow (392060), Wailing Arrow (392061)
                   Family Flags: 106
Hotfixed         : Base Value (1.5 -> 7)
#2 (id=191138)   : Apply Aura (6) | Add Percent Modifier (108): Spell Periodic Amount (22)
                   Base Value: 7 | Scaled Value: 7 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Misc Value: 22 | Target: Self (1)
                   Affected Spells: Multi-Shot (2643), Aimed Shot (19434), Kill Command (34026), Kill Shot (53351), Steady Shot (56641), Barrage (120361), A Murder of Crows (131900), Steel Trap (162487), Chimaera Shot (171454), Chimaera Shot (171457), Arcane Shot (185358), Raptor Strike (186270), Bursting Shot (186387), Carve (187708), Wind Arrow (191043), Cobra Shot (193455), Stomp (199530), Stampede (201594), Fury of the Eagle (203413), Butchery (212436), Explosive Shot (212680), Barbed Shot (217200), Rapid Fire (257045), Multi-Shot (257620), Mongoose Bite (259387), Chakrams (259396), Chakrams (259398), Kill Command (259489), Violent Reaction (260231), Volley (260247), Rapid Fire (263585), Wildfire Bomb (265157), Raptor Strike (265189), Mongoose Bite (265888), Chakrams (267666), Wildfire Bomb (269747), Flanking Strike (269751), Flanking Strike (269752), Pheromone Bomb (270329), Pheromone Bomb (270332), Shrapnel Bomb (270338), Shrapnel Bomb (270339), Volatile Bomb (271048), Volatile Bomb (271049), Harpoon (271625), Serpent Sting (271788), Wildfire Cluster (272745), Latent Poison (273289), Multi-Shot (278565), Resonating Arrow (308495), Kill Shot (320976), Bloodshed (321530), Bloodshed (321538), Flayed Shot (324149), Death Chakram (325028), Death Chakram (325037), Wild Spirits (328757), Wild Spirits (328837), Wildfire Cluster (336899), Chimaera Shot (344120), Chimaera Shot (344121), Wailing Arrow (354831), Wailing Arrow (355589), Wailing Arrow (355596), Coordinated Assault (360969), Death Chakram (361756), Death Chakram (375891), Death Chakram (375893), Spearhead (378957), Arctic Bola (390232), Wailing Arrow (392058), Wailing Arrow (392060), Wailing Arrow (392061)
                   Family Flags: 106
Hotfixed         : Base Value (1.5 -> 7)
#3 (id=191139)   : Apply Aura (6) | Modify Pet Damage Done% (429)
                   Base Value: 7 | Scaled Value: 7 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Self (1)
Hotfixed         : Base Value (1.5 -> 7)
#4 (id=191140)   : Apply Aura (6) | Add Percent Modifier (108): Spell Direct Amount (0)
                   Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Self (1)
                   Affected Spells: Barrage (120361)
                   Family Flags: 119
#5 (id=191141)   : Apply Aura (6) | Add Percent Modifier (108): Spell Direct Amount (0)
                   Base Value: 50 | Scaled Value: 50 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Self (1)
                   Affected Spells: Volley (260243), Volley (260247)
                   Family Flags: 34
#6 (id=1032354)  : Apply Aura (6) | Modify Guardian Damage Done% (531)
                   Base Value: 7 | Scaled Value: 7 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Target: Self (1)
Hotfixed         : Base Value (1.5 -> 7)

You can look up the spellid on wowhead as well, but it still shows the old 2% as of right now.

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Starting to think my character is just completely bonkers. Rather than relying on tooltip numbers, I just attacked a dummy using different abilities to see what Details showed.

All of my “abilities” ranged from 3.2% to 4.6% higher.
Auto Shot (white damage) ranged from 3.5% to 4.57% higher.
Pet Melee (white damage) ranged from 9.18% to 9.96% higher.

Pet Melee - Just auto attack on a dummy in Valdrakken for several minutes…
PTR : 1,774 Min - 3,550 Max
Live : 1,937 Min - 3,903 Max

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shoulda stayed worgen

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Seeing Cog as an Orc is unsettling.

On topic: I have noticed that this “buff” didn’t really do much. My DPS feels the same from last week, and I even got an upgrade in the vault this week.

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