Yeah you’re better off using your health stone for it. People forget healing removes the debuff too (And it’s not a healing absorb).
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for participation, hope it makes you feel better.
Well what u guys want crests for doing nothing in game lol
That sweet, sweet 50 gold didn’t help you? 
You can even soulburn + HS + coil to get even more healing done.
I’m in the remove crest camp. Titanforging was better than this…
Yea alot of things where better before even the economy
You’re right and I have nothing more to add
You want to replace a deterministic grind with an extra layer of RNG without removing the grind?
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For runed it’s easier to just do heroic raid, could have killed 4+ raid bosses in that time
- if you can get into a group
- that only works once per week. Once you’ve done that, back to M+ you go.
You can’t infinitely grind against raid lockout.
M+ and crest combined have turned the treadmill up to 10
But you can infinitely grind M+.
So your solution is to just make M+ even more overpowered than it already is for gearing.
I want an infinite m+ grind to not be a requirement anymore if you want to keep up with your group in raids.
I want to never touch m+ again. And the only want I see making m+ not mandatory again is to remove the crest system.
You don’t necessarily have to remove the crest system (since that still won’t make raiding alone viable).
You need to either massively nerf the quantity of M+ rewards, or massively buff the quantity of raid rewards.
So an end of dungeon lockout, or just make raid bosses drop 3x the crests and loot that they currently do.
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M+ is absolutely not mandatory for heroic guilds. I don’t understand why you think it is
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yep! that’s why I said gilded
Even in a heroic guild, only gearing through raid puts you at a substantial disadvantage to the rest of your guild.
The people who do M+ with both have more items to upgrade, and more crests to do the upgrading (unless you’re full clearing heroic week 1, in which case you’re probably in a mythic guild).
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It really really depends on your guild. I have raided with guilds who have 630 raiders without aotc. I have raided with guilds who killed queen at 615 ilvl average. You simply do not need more than 619 especially with finery. I don’t understand blaming blizz for external pressures to maintain ilvl average, that is between you and the raid team.