40 minutes for 5 runed crests does NOT respect my time

[Robokappa-sargeras (Robokappa)]

so we agree we should remove the timer?

about time.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Skelekinz-area-52

Fix M+. Over timed keys

Because apparently punishment for failure is bad.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Skelekinz-area-52

When you do a raid for crests, you can wipe for hours on a boss, when you do down it, it doesn’t nerf the crest amount.

Well, yes, raid is allowed to punish you for failure.

missing the timer is the same thing as wiping to enrage in a raid, so in M+, you do get some crests for wiping vs zero in raiding.

[Eàu-warsong]

I never opposed timer removal.
I am indifferent to timing concept, maybe make it much more forgiving as first step.

[Wigglytüff-stormrage]

@Skelekinz-area-52

respect player time

It’s always interesting to see what buzzwords pop up on the WoW forums. Wonder what the next set will be. So exciting!

[Kennie-malganis]

We really are at the point where crests for alts or returning players need buffies.

“Hey man wanna setup an alt it’ll just be around 90 8-10s”

Nah.

[Stubblerump-proudmoore]

It’s not a healer affix. Your imp can purge yours. As a tank, I always cleanse myself. Most dps have a way of dropping it. Gotta do more than pewpew these days.

[Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord]

@Skelekinz-area-52

When you do a raid for crests, you can wipe for hours on a boss, when you do down it, it doesn’t nerf the crest amount.

You are comparing successfully completing the content to failing to complete the content.

If you fail Raid, you do it over again until you don’t fail.
Which is akin to putting in a new key.

If you fail M+ (see: run out of time), you just get to keep going anyway and get a consolation prize for your efforts.

Maybe Blizz should just full commit to it and kick players out of a failed key with no option for completion runs. It’d cut down on complaints about Leavers, that’s for sure. Because it’d now be 100% valid in all circumstances.

[Skelekinz-area-52]

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

Maybe Blizz should just full commit to it and kick players out of a failed key with no option for completion runs

I’d be 100% okay with that. I only want crests. Getting 5 feels like 0. It doesn’t get me an upgrade. 1 timed key = 12 and with the reduction I only need 10 for an upgrade. I’d rather not be in keys past the timer for 5 pathetic crests.

@Stubblerump-proudmoore

Your imp can purge yours

What imp? I’m demo, I don’t run imp

[Kolgait-shattered-hand (Kolgait)]

@Shadybolt-thrall

If you don’t like how untimed keys work, then time your keys.
And if a key isn’t able to be timed, then leave.

You making the choice to stick around in a key doesn’t make others not respect your time. Not to mention that “respecting player’s time” is one of the most out-of-context quotes used.

Dude, are you aware of how absolutely decimated M+ is currently? Only a fraction of people do M+ because of how stupidly punitive it is.

[Stubblerump-proudmoore]

Well then health stone/ pot and death coil. Just have to get what, 20%?

[Xingling-nagrand]

In raid, the team may wipe for hours or even days or weeks for a boss and get nothing! But m+ normally will be completed in an hour with 5 crests. M+ is much much much easier than heroic / mythic raid but still give good gear!!! A casual guild normally takes months to clear heroic raid / to get AOTC. With current group loot, doing raid give so little reward but spam m+ can get full 16 pcs heroic gears very fast.

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

Why should we be rewarded for failing? Another participation trophy mentality thread.

[Skelekinz-area-52]

@Xingling-nagrand

A casual guild normally takes months to clear heroic raid / to get AOTC.

Wha? I’m in 2 casual guilds. First had AOTC in like 3 weeks I think, maybe 4. The 2nd got it shortly after 1st round of nerfs. You act like the raid is hard.

[Eàu-warsong]

@Jelincic-kelthuzad

Why should we be rewarded for failing? Another participation trophy mentality thread.

Reading compehension difficulty right here, OP states that run was completed (all bosses were down).

[Menzies-moon-guard]

Instead of giving more for not timing, I think 15 even at bare minimum on timing should be given. Even 20 crests at 10+

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

The challenge isn’t completion but timed completion. Are you intentionally acting this way?

[Foxmulder-the-venture-co]

Play better

[Eàu-warsong]

@Jelincic-kelthuzad

The challenge isn’t completion but timed completion.

False.

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

How can I be false? Care to share your logic with the rest of us? Because the whole challenge about timed runs is to beat the timer and collect the rewards.
You even get gear for failing so that by itself is a bonus. Oh and a GV track.