35 buck Per Character Really that the new extortion tactic

What issue? $35 is intentional. It isn’t like Blizzard just pulled a number out of nowhere nor are they unaware of the wants of many players anymore than they are unaware of the consequences if hundreds of thousands of accounts get cloned.

Then don’t buy it. The service is something only Blizzard can provide and if they value it at $35 then that is the price it sells for.

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“Just don’t buy it” is such a tired and flawed excuse for bad crap being peddled to people.

Crap on a plate is still crap being offered to me while I am eating a meal, even if I don’t HAVE to eat it.

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This is a luxury service, not a loaf of bread. Does it offend you that hoity-toity restaurants serve $50 a plate meals that don’t necessarily taste any better than the hole-in-the-wall place around the block? Do you seethe with rage when Coca-Cola puts out yet another “collectible” set for Christmas and they price it well beyond the value of more generic drinking glasses?

Don’t be silly.

No one is offering you crap on a plate, nor are they even putting crap on your plate. This is you complaining that the restaurant has an option on the menu that you think is overpriced even though you aren’t ordering it and it hasn’t been served to you.

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Not a good value for money. Therefore it is bad.

/Thread

except I had to pay to get into the restaurant and see the menu. Seeing the prices of food STILL be exhorbently expensive IS a justified reason to be upset.

Gentle reminder that WoW is still one of the only MMO’s that simultaneously profits off all 3 sytems: Buying the game, Paying for in game items, and a subscription service.

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“I want cheaper luxury goods or they’re bad!!”

Good luck with that.

No you didn’t, this information is all freely available without paying a dime.

…and?

do you NOT want to buy things at reasonable prices?

Clearly you’re deliberately missing the point. The metaphor falls apart here. Charging me a sub and then an exorbitant fee to keep my own progress on the same game I got it on is ridiculous.

What, do you think it’d be okay if pokemon charged you 35$ to keep your save files when the newest games came out? Stop shilling.

Now you’re deliberately being dense. The competitive market would suggest this shouldn’t happen given their competition being cheaper and less greedy, and yet it does, so “don’t buy it” doesn’t work, it’s a fallacy. Discussing it is the only way to have things change.

I’m not here for your trolling.

No, I want things to be given to me for free, but unfortunately the real world doesn’t work that way. So I settle for the idea that things I absolutely need being reasonably priced (and they are) and luxury goods and services are… well… luxuries. Not all luxuries are the same or the same price so it isn’t like I’m lacking, and with regards to WoW, I have access to literally everything I want with just a subscription, no need to buy in-game items or pay for services I don’t want or care about.

Luxury goods and services are overpriced by definition. Why would you be angry about that?

…you don’t keep anything. You don’t own anything. You literally signed a contract stating as much. You didn’t read the contract did you?

None of this follows. All you’re saying here is that Blizzard, despite having a pay-to-play model that wouldn’t work on most games of the last several years, is able to KEEP such a model and be successful to boot, which implies people are very willing to shell out cash for this particular set of luxury goods. Why on Earth would anyone working at Blizzard think they should stop offering luxury services now when it has worked so well for 15+ years?

Further, there is no fallacy here, as there is no error in reasoning. People buy Blizzard’s luxury goods, that doesn’t defeat the option of not buying their luxury goods. Millions of people don’t buy a single Blizzard product every single year, you can be that person too if you choose.

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and I never signed a contract meaning I have to listen to you. So I should just disregard you because I don’t have to do anything? Man what a sad way to look at life, if you didn’t sign a contract for it, you can’t trust or ask for ANYTHING.

I’d rather be the person vocally telling Blizzard how I would spend my money if they made X decisions and being a compelling voice as a customer whom they desire monetary gains from.

Got a problem with that? If I tell them I’d buy it at 20, or even less, that’s a valid statement and one they very well might listen to. They have cut down the prices of services before.

Here is my speculation on why they chose such a high price point:

They want most of the players to focus on the TBC content initially because they want it to be successful and it has micro-transactions. They will also scoop up money from the whales who do decide to clone at $35.

In the future, they will discount the cloning price (perhaps through November sales etc) to get more players cloning when TBC is already established and they already scooped up the cash from those willing to pay the initial high price.

While I would like to clone characters, I think I will wait for good sales on this service. No rush to do it in the short-term with fresh TBC content.

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/facepalm

No, you silly person. You signed a contract that specifically gave Blizzard exclusive and total control over everything in this game and that nothing you do in this game constitutes an acquisition of property or rights that you can enforce. Blizzard told you, from the beginning, they had total control, subject to no other whim than their own, and that your access to any part of any aspect of anything associated with the license could be changed or terminated at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

Now you’re here whining about the terms you agreed to. Stop that, it is childish.

Go ahead, they have no reason to listen to you while you continue paying for a license you resent for some reason… puts a big damper on your rhetoric when the person you’re trying to convince to change is also the person you keep tossing money at whether they change or not.

How do you justify the price of luxury goods? /giggle

I actually feel you’re exactly right with that. Good business move on their part if that’s the case. Your proposal makes a lot of sense. Most people probably won’t touch classic until a couple months after TBC and by that time, they can reduce the price a bit like you were saying

And yet they still listen and make changes. Retail is a perfect example of this. People were going to pay regardless of if the content was easier for the majority but they decreased it anyway.

People were demanding a better level experience but would probably have played anyway- and they got what they wanted.

Man it’s almost like “don’t buy it” is completely unfounded and companies are incentivized more to listen and fulfill the requests of paying customers and not some stupid suggestion that somehow the people who aren’t going to spend money on something are their priority for changing it.

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35$ each char that is steep price . I was expecting it tho. Still worth spending if you spent a long time ranking at the start and would like to remain decent in pvp for the longevity of wow classic .

They also listen and don’t make changes. People love to zero in on the one issue that aligns with what Blizzard chooses, but forget the thousands of other requests that go completely ignored.

Again… this doesn’t follow. You can just not buy it if it bothers you so much which sends a far clearer message to Blizzard regarding an EXTRA service. This isn’t something you’ve already bought and you want improved, this is something new. That’s a very different situation from even your weak anecdote.

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What part of Blizzard doesnt have to justify their pricing and/or reasoning are people not getting?

You think its too expensive - Blizzard doesnt care what you think.

Name something that was added because people did not spend money on blizzard. Then give me evidence.

except they do. Classic wouldn’t exist otherwise. They literally saw people wanted it and made it because what those people thought made them money.

Have you missed that entire concept of how a business works?

Here’s how it works. Blizz says its $14.99 a month to access their WoW games. You either pay it or you dont, its up to you.

So when Blizz says a clone of your character is $35, you either think its worth it and pay it or you say screw that and don’t.

This is why it was correctly referred to as entitlement earlier - you think youre owed something - either a cheaper price or some explanation of why its $35. Youre not, get over yourself.

mmmm No. It’s my choice to say what I think about the game and what I think it’s value is.

I am a customer, I can say whatever the hell I want. If I’m going to pay for a service, wanting that service to be priced a certain amount, or of a certain quality, is totally within the rights of the consumer. Stop acting like corporations are people. They are a service.

Maybe get over yourself and stop thinking you can demand people and decide what is and isn’t entitlement?

If it were 100 dollars you’d be sitting here with the same stupid argument that “JUST DON’T BUY IT! ENTITLED WHINERS.”.

You just wana white knight daddy Activision. There’s no nuance here. You’d defend literally anything they do and call everyone entitled for not liking it.

Go somewhere else and be a non-addition to the conversation elsewhere.

“Prove a negative that is without logical bounds!!”

Oh okay… :rofl:

Mmk, and if I’m “entitled”, so what? Doesn’t change the fact that the price of the service is overpriced.