3v3 Solo shuffle was one of the greatest things ever added to world of warcraft arenas - solo queue magic, shuffle comps every round, no premade stress, and a dedicated ladder for glory. Now, add 2v2 solo shuffle queue as an option bracket.
How it will fix PvP
Queue times: DPS players wait 10+ minutes or more in shuffle queues due to lack of healers. A solo shuffle DPS based will fix this problem.
Eliminate healers. Straight DPS vs DPS mayhem. Ditch the +20 minute healer pillow matches. Tanks could be pseudo support role for CC. Keeping it balanced without heal spam.
Revives a Fresh, Non- Healer Meta: This explains itself, Double DPS mayhem.
TL;DR Optional 2v2 solo shuffle No healers, Maybe tanks Fast queues.
why is everyone lazy and just say “no healers” when it could be so much better if they just balanced for that bracket and allowed everyone to face everyone
idk if people feel this way but i think solo shuffle killed the mmo aspect of pvp in wow. not really my jam, but qing 3s is just horrible so not a lot of choice, i would prefer it more if the solo queue mechanic was only there for rbgs everything else is just kind of a waste imo.
I never really gave Blitz much of a shot until the last few weeks. But I agree with you. Least in blitz there’s some iota of strategy or role assignment.
In shuffle, I always ask for target choice or any healer positional preference, and it’s a 50/50 shot if I get a response.
Solo queue options just seem to suit a more objective best form of PvP in WoW rather than a team death match.
It would be easy to balance- make it so comps are mirrored. Fury war/x vs fury war/x, lock/z vs lock/z, etc. Instant queues, exactly balanced, ggs.
If you’ve ever played rogue/mage into another rogue/mage at duelist+ on the 2s ladder, you know how fun this is and that it’s every bit the measure of pvp skill as anything else in game.
But ppl here are irrationally attached to things of the past. They reject the idea of anything that could route players around ladder 3s.
While not a bad idea, we already have too much content that is competing for an ever dwindling player base.
As is, there is far too much healing in the game and this would only highlight that issue. DPS specs that don’t have ample healing or immunities would flop. There is a reason why Rets sit bases. Pop all CDs, bubble, and something is probably going to be dead before the opponent can even do anything.
honestly they just need to make glad level rewards for 2s and rbgs add a mount and title to the respective bracket other brackets and gg more brackets will be played, 3s is just bad in this game. it isnt fun to play.
I get why people feel like shuffle killed the MMO of pvp, but it didn’t come out of nowhere
Regular rated participation was already in the gutter. A huge chunk of players avoided 2s/3s because of how miserable the experience had become. Manual group forming wasted time, toxicity was rampant, and carries/pilots were everywhere. For most players, especially casuals, q’ing wasn’t fun. It was exhausting.
PvP design made this worse. Old pvp was slower and more forgiving. Mana mattered, healers had room to play, and deaths usually made sense. Now the game is extremely punishing. Miss one defensive or counter and someone explodes. After WoD, pvp participation fell off hard. Metrics dropped like an anvil for pvp. PvP used to feel like a huge pillar of the game and had participation equal to the most popular pve activities. That’s just not the case anymore.
Solo shuffle is the only thing that actually brought players in real numbers. Solo was more popular than all reglar rated modes combined. It lowered the barrier to entry and removed the worst parts of rated pvp. It also can boost from pvp gear being actually competitive in pve, but this team hates anything that shortens pve grinds.
This all shows culturally too. PvP used to be huge for streaming and clips, with recognizable pvp heroes and highlight reels. These days, most people don’t know and don’t care about pvp personalities or clips at all.
Shuffle didn’t kill rated pvp, rated pvp did that to itself. Shuffle just filled the vacuum.
If bliz wants the mmo back in pvp, removing shuffle isn’t the answer. Fix the gameplay pacing, incentives, and social friction that made people stop q’ing in the first place.
A lot of “quality of life” and “accessibility” or “anti-gatekeep” stuff did this, yeah. Delves, myth gear from +10s and crafting took away from the casual pve scene, shuffle nuked low-mid mmr (and even high mmr) arena and blitz gutted rbgs.
Current meta aside I think it’s fun when you’ve got at least one regular to queue with
Huh
Not really and that isn’t an excuse to further damage it
yes an opinion that differs from the main stream insanity! in my opinion 2s should have similar rewards to 3s as well as rbgs, regardless of what anyone says 2800 cr in 2s is extremely hard just like 2800 in 3s. you should be rewarded for your effort in both brackets evenly not with the same rewards but rewards that are at least at the same level.
also 3s in my opinion is just less fun than 2s
if you dont already have friends it is very hard to make friends in pvp with the current lfg and solo shuffle.
Nah don’t get me wrong 2s can be super fun esp when it’s popular so there’s some diversity assuming queues are 95% something like bm/rdruid or fistweaver/x
3s sort of suffers from that right now with dk/hunter, ret/hunter, destro/mm and um actually hunter feral unh havoc also good esp if you aren’t ethical but no dh is so
sort of a compounding issue isnt it
thing is hard so nobody tries and it gets harder
just lfg’d like 5 diff people for 3s and it fun and a lil stressful nice to try diff stuff though
idk i been pvping a long time and ive been 2.4 in all brackets 3s is for sure less fun but not as bad as the rbg community on ED those degenerates are mentally ill. you have the least control, you cant play whatever comp you want because half of the time it isnt possible/bad and people burn out after 5-10 games so even trying to queue more is difficult in its own, and healers are overpowered in that bracket.
Friend, I think you didnt read the post entirely, I am saying no healers. There IS a lot of DPS and if it is only DPS the queues for 2v2 Solo will be fast.
unh havoc also good esp if you aren’t ethical but no dh is so
nice to try diff stuff though