2v2 Arena Matchmaking Needs to Separate Healer+DPS from Double DPS Comps

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So the ‘good’ comps would climb and like before, we’d have more DPS in lower brackets just yolo capping and it’d have some diversity. No, I doubt that suddenly there would be Feral/X or Mage Rogue suddenly every game at 0 rating once you incentivize people to play a mode again. Cause if they’re bad double DPS? They’ll get smoked.

I guarantee you, in my yolo 2’s comps I stand more of a chance against bad Rogue+mage teams, than bad Healer+Feral/Warrior etc.

Why?

10 gd years of PvP proved why in facing off against bad double dps in low ratings, and the healer role is intentionally imbalanced by modern design.

So no, many people aren’t going to be staying up past bedtime in LFG scouting for good healers. And neither does everyone want to play healers competitive according to threads, and neither do I bother it on my healer for 5 minute games getting only 6 matches in an hour. And ya’ll are the ones saying the modes are dead.

But you’ll still argue with that as a crab in a bucket to want everyone to scuttle against healer comps that literally flood the entry level bracket, despite saying that healers are intentionally imbalanced for 3v3 modes,

And you all will complain about long queue times, low instanced PvP participation, poor rating matchmaking etc etc.

Well, you all made that bed gatekeeping a mode insisting it needs to have a healer or be 1 of so few comps to have guaranteed consistent success and FOTM rerolling.

Blizz listened, the healer role is incredibly imbalanced, my holy priest 3v1’s and wins on a point in blitz.

Enjoy your long queue times, peace.

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no thank you

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If 2s is currently basically nothing but healer/DPS after placement games, why do you think double DPS games won’t just be some cheese comps with a Rogue or feral (or whatever) at a certain MMR?

Does potentially getting stuck a little higher really solve anything?

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this will never happen for the simple fact blizzard doesn’t balance around 2v2 and Wants people to use healers. they want to you play out a match semi-comfortable in your m+ rotation, which double dps does not allow, without waaaaaaaay more hyrbid healing. without changes to those factors the matches Will literally only be feral/x rogue/x usually with a caster. that’s it. my experience to know this expectation is 10+ years of being in the upper echelons of the mmr of 2s every season. ur replacing op healers with op druids and op rogues. please see how extremely pointlessly damaging this would be to all of our mental health

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Really bad idea. Savana made a good point and on top of that healers now have near infinite instants and things like double ps, etc. thanks to shuffle. Outside of very niche duos you’re just not going to enjoy double dps, watching some double 3.3k players on youtube who work at playing this game rarely post 1 video a year of double dps isn’t really valid evidence to say “it’s all fine” but the solution isn’t to ban healers from 2s (/facepalm) or further divide the playerbase with another game mode.

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You’re either deliberately ignoring the point or just didn’t read what I wrote — because nowhere did I suggest banning healers from 2s. In fact, I explicitly clarified the opposite.

Let me repeat it again in simpler terms:

No comps are being removed.
Healers, tanks, DPS — all still queue as usual.
The suggestion is to prioritize matching teams against similar comps — not enforce it, not create a new game mode, not divide the playerbase. Just a smarter matchmaking preference to improve fairness.

Right now, double DPS instantly gets thrown into healer/DPS lobbies with no regard for parity — which is objectively imbalanced. All this would do is attempt to match mirror archetypes (burst vs burst, sustain vs sustain) first, and only fall back to mismatched comps when no equivalent is available.

This doesn’t hurt healers. This doesn’t kill the queue.
It just gives everyone a more even playing field when possible.
Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that.

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They schizo that suddenly a billion ferals and rogues will come out of nowhere and be every matchup possible,

Instead of what is likely to happen which HAS happened for years, that is double DPS will YOLO for quick fun conquest gains like they did for literally a decade pre Legion.

But just watch them crusade against your post while also admitting healers are intentionally imbalanced 1v1 for the 3v3 mode and that they have an edge over most every double deeps matchup, especially now that hybrid healing is trashed.

They will complain about ‘dividing’ the mode while also complain the mode is already dead and strawman that you want healers gone from 2’s.

They’re just trolls, wishful think while you can.

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every high rated match up? yes. because those classes enable double dps to function. point blank. so what You’re saying is this is just another way for people to farm conquest? why do we need that? what even is the point of any of this. ur ruining your own argument.

just do that then. why do you need to change the game mode. u wanna keep your cake and eat it too? naaaa (yolo cap in 2s double dps but also have a “fair” matchup. ummm why do you care if it’s a fair matchup if ur just yolo capping? that’s what yolo means u just run in and do ur stuff and hope it works.)

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You both play classes that can heal. Problem solved. One of you roll healer or alternate and heal each other.

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No. Healer’s gameplay sucks IMO and my friend says the same.

Honestly, if I worked at Blizzard, I could fix this matchmaking logic in under a week.
It’s incredibly demotivating to queue 2s and feel like you’re flipping a coin every time:
“Am I getting healer/DPS or just double DPS this time?” — it’s garbage.

This bracket is already rough enough for non-meta comps.
Having to deal with completely mismatched sustain/control setups just makes it worse.
All we’re asking for is comp-aware matchmaking priority — not rocket science, not game-breaking, not even new tech.

Just use the comps as a factor in matchmaking before falling back to imbalance.
That alone would go a long way in making the ladder feel less miserable.

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wow dude you are having a hard time climbing playing a class that has a stun and an incap with another class taht uses a stun and an incap? who would have GUESSED THAT?!?!

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for the love of god yes, or nerf healers in 2s either would be great. these long af matches are so infuriating, i play double dps comps alot and i win a decent percentage of matches can climb to 1600-1800 with ease, but the issue is FUN. double dps against double dps is way more FUN then chipping away through dampening for 7 minutes because of an op healer

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Damp too aggro for this now

I’ll have shorter matches now than as dps/healer vs double dps back in the day who’d run/reset forever :dracthyr_nod:

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Quite sad all the responses attacking mr monk here because they dont wanna let go of their favorite matchup domminance in 2s.

“It would only be rogue mage or rogue feral” disagree. Maybe high enough yes but most people dont play that high.

Ive given up in 2s long ago op, its a lost battle. People like their free mmr wins vs double dps to soothe the pain of 8 min matches of healer dps vs healer dps. Let the mode rot

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Damp too aggro now and games are fairly quick

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Double dps was super fun in SL but borrowed power made it playable since hybrid offheals actually did something too. (Feral/WW)

Dampening change effectively kills that comp too. 2’s sadly is just a healer required bracket even when I played a bunch in wod. Can mess around with double dps but it’s never felt weaker, even s1 TWW rogue mage felt pretty awful, but rupture was spread breaking CC then

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They know matchmaking needs to change, but they ignore it and keep farming free points and conquest in 2s. They don’t want any changes because they’re comfortable queuing as healers against DPS and farming wins effortlessly.

You can clearly see that most of the people attacking the post are priests or healers who play 2s — the ones who benefit the most from the current state of matchmaking.

Honestly, they know it’s broken and unbalanced — they’re just abusing it while it lasts. I probably would too if I played a healer. But since we play double DPS, we’re just asking for a fair matchmaking system that gives everyone an actual chance, not free wins based on comp advantage.

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This is so funny

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Thanks for the contribution and well-built arguments.

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Healers in 2s are fine. Dampening already starts pretty high.