Why couldn’t this wait until 10.1? We’re progging Mythic Raz here.
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I think it went over your head. It was meant to be a humorous statement.
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The worst part about the demo nerfs is:
Why was demo successful this tier?
Literally because it’s 1min Aoe profile matched nearly every fight in the raids tempo.
Not because it was just naturally op, not because our ST was even remotely good, but 100% because our CDs just happened to line up with where they would gain the most benefit because for some reason the devs designed basically every fight around 1min increments for mechanics.
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Oh, my apologies then. You are correct that I misunderstood.
I see people talk about Elon like he’s a deity in some circles and it makes me wanna take a bath with a toaster. Not that Bobby is doing a good job either 
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You had it almost all correct except saying aff was leading over destro in single target. Destro is top in both single target AND aoe.
Now.
They weren’t before.
I have looked a lot. I cannot find the logs or instances where Demo was outperforming the other specs. There are several specs which drastically outperform Demo. Demo can potentially be competitive only when it is getting PI.
Additionally Demo struggles a bit on Single target.
Both these abilities affect single target. So in addition to nerfing AoE there is a smaller nerf to ST. Which I dont understand.
Additionally they buffed guillotine to be a competitive AoE choice. Maybe if the AoE was increased too much, then tone down that one and leave the ST alone.
Also I do regularly see other specs drastically outperforming Demo in all aspects. I play some of them. I just dont understand the tuning here.
Buff AoE to make and AoE talent more appealing. Nerf AoE and Single target to compensate for and AoE talent being made stronger.
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Blizzard wont be happy until the warlock is the Tyrants minion.
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Issues to note for the logical thinkers:
Demo suffered in ST.
Affliction suffered in everything, barely doing middle of the pack ST damage.
- Affliction buffs were added to our DarkGlare. Hindsight, this ability has been a dead talent since it became part of our toolkit. It did very little damage and only provided extension to our dots. Nothing meaningful. They improved our Darkglare ability and now its become worth taking and specing into. Again, it was NEVER USED. The nerf to our Darkglare friend hurt both ST and AOE dmg.
- Pet Sac. The issue I have with their response is they did not want Warlocks thinking they can just forget out pets and be good with it. They need to realize that Affliction and maybe some Destro players have to SPEND POINTS into this to gain value. It makes no sense to take a talent, spend points and get no value. The ideology is that every point spent should give you something in return of value. What these Devs are saying is, you spend talent points into Sac and we want you to feel a nerf. What??? What world are they coming from?
Demo: Where do I start. Demo has suffered ST damage since 10.0 hit. They refused to give Warlocks the same system we had back in SL. Instead they buff Imp Damage, while nerfing Dreadstalkers a few times. None of Demo CoolDowns Line up. None of the boss mechanics are on a 1.5min Burst window, none. It’s 1min, through and through. Their response, instead of fixing our CDs or our SingleTarget damage profile they nerf both Our Single Target AND AoE. Again, who are the Devs making these calls? Rogues and Rets out here destroying AoE and ST damage well above any lock but we take the hit?
A post is out there showing how incompetent the Dev team are with the Warlock class and clearly how out-of-touch they are with the design and damage profile.
I’d like to see where they are gathering this data from because clearly, we’re on 2 separate music sheets.
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Watch as no one will inv locks into Mythic+ because “LOL, locks are bad now!”
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What’s also hilarious is that Demonic Strength takes a 25% nerf and it will still be miles ahead of Bilescourge Bombers.
Not that Demo’s would want to spend 2 shards on a ground target dot every 30 seconds anyway.
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I hate to try to weigh one class against the others, as there are a lot of fundamental differences between them. But its hard not to, when there are specs that vastly outperform others, and by a significant margin, remain untouched, but then classes who are not overperforming, receive nerfs that the goal of is to target a specific aspect, but then the nerf clearly impacts the entire kit.
BM hunter nerf is another example. The spec is buffed to compensate for the bow nerf and to make the spec that doesnt require a rare drop to perform. They target Kill Command to buff. Which in turn buffs the entire BM toolkit, with Kill Cleave. Now BM actually can do DPS, but their single target is over tuned… So what to do?..
Nerf back Kill command to knock down single target, but also nerfs Kill Cleave, which knocks down their AoE as well, effectively nerfing the whole kit.
Surv Hunter. Mongoose Bite was pretty much ALL of Surv’s Damage. Even in AoE dungeons and fights, its still better for Surv to focus MB Damage. But their Single Target is over performing. So what to do???.. Nerf Mongoose bite, without adding any buffs to their AoE kit. Effectively nerfing the Only thing Survival was performing well at, and leaving the shortcomings of the spec alone.
Demo and Affliction are the same thing. They add in nerfs, which are supposed to be targeted at an aspect of their damage profile. But the nerfs, are on abilities that affect the entire dps profile of the spec. Effectively nerfing them in all aspects.
And in the case of Demo, the spec was not top of the pack performance wise, even when propped up by PI.
I really think PI just needs to go. Make the buff a personal CD in Priest Class Kit. It has caused more unnecessary nerfs than it has helped anyone. It is rife for abuse, and can artificially prop up a spec and cause it to overperform an obscene amount, but only given very specific conditions.
I see so many people give much better and more informed feedback on class tuning, and in several cases, it just doesnt seem that it is taken.
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Dear lord what some of you consider to be huge slaps in the face. I love how nothing changed from a mechanical standpoint just percentages, and yet now you can’t have fun because you don’t ring the meter enough lol. What a joke.
haha whatever excuse you need to feel better
They nerf GoSac saying that we are a pet class but give hunters MM a talent that gives 10% damage TO ALL OUTPUT DAMAGE without pet… So its confirmed Blizz hates Warlocks…
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I appreciate your take. Good to see other classes jump into the lock forums and express how they feel. Your opinion is valued!
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maybe read the rest 
Eh? You just fix the bugs. That’s it. lol. You don’t fix them then nerf on top of it. That makes zero sense. lol.
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youre weird lol
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Devs flat out lying in their post could be considered a slap in the face.
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Flat out lying? And posts about a video game are slaps in the face? Dear lord you life must really suck