i just got to level 25 on shaman and even with full blue gear it was a struggle at level 20 it wasnt that bad dpsing in WC but questing from 20-25 showed me that our shock spells and lightning shield just dont do enough damage to be worth there mana cost i ended up just auto attacking and casting heals in order to do quests i thought once i got stormstrike things would get better but stormstrike cost 1/5th of my mana pool i cant even use it without going oom nearly instantly
warriors have been complaining for weeks and you guys are bowing down to them and making changes while enhance has been nerfed over and over each update and we desperately need help
reducing the base value of spells doesnt work for hybrid classes we dont have access to spell power on our melee gear at low levels shamans wear the same armor that rogues and hunters wear we are not going to put on caster gear and do subpar dps just to make our shocks hit harder you guys need to go back and revert the base damage values on low level spells on hybrid classes paladins dont have this issue my level 20 paladins judgements hit for twice as much damage as a shamans shock spell and there melee attack barely even has a mana cost
storm strike needs to cost like 75% less mana at level 25 SO WE CAN PUSH OUR BUTTONS instead of being an auto attack class
we need our shock spells to do double the damage there currently doing to make them worth using
you guys said in the podcast you want enhance shamans to want to use spell power gear but this is only going to lead to the same issues as early TBC where the enhance shaman gear is designed so poorly that we were forced to wear rogue leather gear in order to do decent DPS unless spell power is just tagged onto properly designed melee DPS gear its never going to work if our stat spread is just too far spread out and taking mail gear with int and spell power does less over all dps than pure leather/mail melee gear than we wont wear it and you will have to make major changes again down the road
FOCUS ON ENAHCE SHAMANS NOW WE NEED THE MOST WORK OF ANY CLASS TO BE DECENT DPS
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They don’t want us to share gear with rogues and Hunters (agi gear).
They want us to wear spell power gear. They want us to wear Boomkin leather / Elemental shaman mail.
That’s why mental dexterity exists as a level 16/17/18 talent. So we gain melee stats from spell caster gear. I just don’t see us getting proper melee gear.
- we don’t gain any attack power from agility. So can’t really share with rogues or hunters.
- mail strength gear is rare. it exists… but it’s so rare.
- strength leather is also very… very rare.
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enhance shamans have always stacked agility for leveling we need the crit and dodge chance thats why we wear rogue gear
WE WILL NOT WEAR BOOMKIN LEATHER GEAR int to AP conversion isnt strong enough it would have to be 200% AP from int to get us to wear it since that would put it on par with strength gear which we only get strength from the rare crafted items that you have to get the special currency to be able to make
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i’m with you man 
say no to boomkin gear
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Not gonna tell anyone how to play a shaman but I went full resto build. To dps you start with water shield that is spamable then earth shock then searing totem then fire nova. Then just use earth shock and fire nova on cd and keep up water shield. If you want to go straight Enh build make sure you bring a ton of water. I hate sitting to drink so I always grab water shield and pick the mana talents.
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we need a massive talent build rework enhance is a melee spec and needs to focus more on melee shocks and casting lightning bolt just wont work for good dps we need mental quickness changed to be 30% spell power from strength or attack power so our gear isnt massively hindered at 60 focusing enhance to gear for int just doesnt work from 1-60 we will almost never have int on any of our gear and even with the extra talents its still not worth it to equip int gear over melee stats
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Havent tried stormstrike yet but resto actually isnt that bad
Try using the new itemization I’m not having big issues with mana.
given an imaginary encounter that last 21 seconds and you cast the following with a 3.0 speed 2h
1 flame shock
1 light shield
1 searing totem
7 melee hits
7 flametongue hits
the following stats grant the following damage over the fight
10 str = 30 added dmg
10 int = 15 added dmg + 150 mana
10 sp = 7(ft) + 7.2(st) + 9 (ls) + 6.1(fs) = 29.3 dmg
are great items to pursue, the more different stats an item has the more total stats it can have for its item level making these the best to pursue considering str = int = sp approx.
that said - SS mana cost is stupid high for level 25 its not worth even pressing at that level, I don’t know why its set like that rather than %base mana
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im maxed weap skills and my SS gets dodged/parried or straight misses more than it hits on lower than my level. at even con, its less than 40% hit rate.
enhance is in a really bad place.
my dps is basically fire aoe totem spam and elemental shield. we are seriously a joke atm.
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Early game you don’t have any of the talents to really bring the build online, so yea you’re probably best off leaning into using str/int gear where you can find it, or str/agi gear otherwise.
Late game with the talents to support it is where my concerns lie. I think if they want to keep us using 2handers, the proc chance on maelstrom weapon needs to be increased to support that. Current estimates are around 16 ppm, which means if you don’t have a 3.8 speed or slower weapon (and those are fairly rare), you’re going to struggle building stacks of maelstrom weapon reliably.
If they bumped it to 18-20 ppm, our itemization opens up, we can use slightly faster weapons (3.3-3.5 speed 2handers, which are far more common), and we can start casting free instant lightning bolts as part of our regular rotation.
I also still think that mental quickness needs to be bumped up to match what ret pally gets. We get 30% of int to sp, they get 60% (Used to be 100%). It should at least be bumped to match their 60%, maybe 50% if the numbers turn out too high, especially now that we’ve lost elemental fury so our crit spellcasts aren’t hitting nearly as hard.
Enhancement shaman in wow: forever isn’t designed the same as classic, you aren’t going to be a pure melee/physical damage dealer. If it’s tuned properly, 40-60% of our damage will come from melee, and 40-60% will come from earth shock/lightning bolt casts inbetween swings via maelstrom weapon and stormstrike’s damage bonus. I’m fine with that, I like the battlemage archetype they’re going for and it fits shaman very well thematically, it just needs some numbers tuning.
Keep in mind that your shocks cost 45% less with shamanistic focus. That can be bumped to 55% less with convection in elemental. Once you get improved stormstrike, you’ll have 50% of your mana regen basically all the time in combat. I also plan on going for elemental focus, as our instant cast free lightning bolts should be able to proc the clearcasting for a free spellcast, which we can then use on an earth shock to save mana.
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Agi gives us no ap. Yes, it gives us a tiny bit of crit and dodge to help survive.
Wanna know what is would help us survive? More damage. Wanna know what would give you more damage? Caster gear that has int and + spell power on it.
Glimmering staff from enchanting is unironically fairly good. +11 AP and boosts shocks up a decent amount.
You sound very much like you want to make us blue warriors. We’re not. We have one melee ability we gotta talent for it, and the rest of our damage comes from spells. We are the most hybrid of hybids.
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Except he isn’t wanting to gear correctly. Shaman are very much designed around wearing caster gear and getting melee attack power through int, and spell power through int.
So him admitting to wearing rogue leather is the problem.
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are you rettarded? well you are because we dont wear caster gear we wear leather agi stam gear until we get to mail then we wear the scarlet set with strength on it and still stack agi thats how enhance shamans gear while leveling
1AP from 1 int isnt enough to make us stack caster gear and wear int its just not good enough and a tiny bit of AP will never out weigh agi while leveling never has before and still doesnt now
Except that’s how we level in classic.
Where we don’t have a talent that makes us get 1 ap from int and another that gives us 30% spell power from int.
This isn’t classic, and the extra int and spell power really does surpass any small crit boost. 20 agility is 1 crit, roughly a 0.8% damage increase. 20 int is literally 1.42 DPS increase for our melee, on top of the damage increase for our spells.
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20 agi = 1 crit at 60 but were not 60 so its like 8-10 agi to 1 crit and 1 dodge
blizzard is just screwing up the stats and dont even understand how enhance works there changes are garbage
we play enhance because its fun and we want to play a melee class this half and half spell caster stuff just isnt working and im tired of them ignoring us for so long i want enhance to be a melee class and our spells should be melee focused first its ok to have shock spells but they need to scale with AP and SP
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How much Int do you think we’re going to get? Having your damage split across multiple primary stats always leads to stat dilution and an overall weaker result. It has happened every time they’ve tried this. The solution that has worked in the past for both enhance and ret has been to tool them around dps gear and have their abilities scale through those stats. Otherwise you need 4 stats when others only need 2.
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See your problem is you keep thinking this is the same as Classic/Vanilla. It’s not. You’re complaining about not having enough spell damage or mana, they’re telling you how to get that, and you’re getting mad at them because “ThAt’S nOt HoW iT wOrKs”, when it’s been mathematically proven that wearing caster gear on enhancement, until you get a ton of late endgame gear, is objectively better than trying to wear str/agi gear.
You’re playing the class in a way that it’s not designed to work and getting mad that it doesn’t feel good. Enhancement is an auto attacker class with spells. There is TONS of new gear that is melee and adds spell damage. You’re just not looking for it and you want to play it as an auto attack bot who shocks occasionally. It’s a shock bot who auto attacks between cooldowns, and later will be using lightning bolt.
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The most liked post on the ENTIRE beta is Spriest that has no utility, no aoe, and hybrid taxed singletarget at level 60 and doesnt even get to play the game till level 40. And blizzard has been radio silent. “Class that needs the most work” and your talking about level 20’s enhancement shaman lmao. Not to say your concerns arent valid, but youre no where close to the spec with the most work needed with your wf totem utility and solid aoe cleave with a personal bloodlust later on.
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