To keep it simple the Layering process in Forever feels not great at the moment.
On the first night I could be in one layer for maybe 5 minutes before getting the notification I’m going to be moved. Which fine, it was busy and I was always dropped into a relatively less populated area.
Last night and today, I would see the pop up less frequently, however, it consistently popped the moment I made my way into a quest area that had only a couple others around. Which is great, not that many people. I’d get phased and put into a layer that was significantly more crowded and what was a field of enemies in front of me is now a pile of corpses and 20 other people scrambling for mob tags.
I understand the system at play that usually means the layer I was on become empty enough that it migrated everyone remaining to another one so it could close out the layer and move the resources elsewhere. But it feels like trash to run up to an area for a quest, see a ton of enemies only to watch it fade away against your will.
Also, something was odd with grouping up in the world causing you to jump layers as soon as you form a party. On more than one instance tonight, while fighting a named quest mob, someone would run up, id invite them or theyd invite me to share the tag but it would automatically just move us into a different phase and the quest mob just disappeared forcing us to wait for it to respawn in the new layer.
The suggestion, give us the agency to move layers if we want at will. If I’m on one layer, and its super crowded or I get automatically phased into a crowded layer and I dont really want to be, give us to option to move to a less populated one rather than only being forced for whatever limits are in place are met.
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Earlier today I phased like 3 times in 5-6 minutes. I clicked to go now thinking I’d get it over with, just it happened 3 times in a row. Also I was attacking the messenger, and got phased when I had him almost dead. Had to wait again…
In short, the layering is complete garbage…
And this is why a mega server doesn’t feel very classic. No permanence to the supposed main character: the immersive world.
I just love when I’m about to mine a node in retail and then it disappears and 4 players pop up out of nowhere. Such immersion.
It doesn’t feel very wow at all. I can’t remember a time in history of WoW that I’ve ever experienced anything like this, not even in retail. It’s absurd.
Agreed, but it especially feels antithetical to the Classic they say they wan to provide where you see familiar faces in the world. I’ve had a lot of particulularly bad experiences with layering. Constantly moving me out of layers with rain into layers without. I’ll be talking to people in the world in say, and suddenly I or they will drop group and be moved layers. I was talking to someone on the Zeppelin just last night and when we zoned, they were gone. I’ll be questing alongside someone for ten minutes and suddenly they are gone. The world feels more impermanent than ever, with people coming and going like ghosts, and disappearing practically mid-sentence. It’s terrible.
Yeah, it blows for sure. They need to just make layers far more sticky. There is no reason to have people jumping constantly. It’s the most immersion killing thing ever.
The game simply doesn’t work on servers with more than like 1500 active players. The fact they keep trying to push it is insane. Every complaint about the Vanilla game since 2019 has had either mega servers or streamers as the root cause.
I think they should just make the layer swapping entirely manual. Go to a major city and interact with a special object or NPC to get the option to change to a different layer. In effect the layers would be sub-realms (they could even be named like realms). Not only would that solve the issues that happen trying to quest while being randomly moved between layers, it would also add player agency to creating communities where you see the same people over and over again.
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See exactly. Here we have an intelligent solution folks.
nobody should ever get phased out of a mob they are already attacking… 
this is not normal or good
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Layering isn’t terrible if the entire zone is in the same shared chat channels, i.e. General, Local Defense.
Or worse, during an escort like what happened to me the first time bringing the traitor to Moonbrook.
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It’s wonky for sure.
I seem to send invites to folks, then they disappear!