The Skyborne Hate-Train is Exhausting (And Lore-Blind)

Reading through the complaints about the Skyborne elves across the community, it’s frustrating to see how quickly people jump on a blind hate-train. A lot of the loudest voices are dismissing the race without a basic understanding of game development, creativity, or, most importantly,the established lore.

Yes, they use the Thalassian model. Why? Because they are high elves. Let’s recap the history:

After the Sundering, two major Highborne groups escaped the Night Elf society. The first group, led by Dath’remar, sailed east with a vial of the Well of Eternity, eventually founding Quel’Thalas. These are the Thalassian elves we know (Quel’dorei, Sin’dorei, Ren’dorei).

The second group went south to Feralas, hiding in Eldre’Thalas (the Shen’dralar). While Dath’remar created the Sunwell in the east, Prince Tortheldrin grew desperate without an arcane source and turned to demonic siphoning. A small band of Shen’dralar Highborne rebelled against this fel corruption, lost, and fled in an attempt to catch up with Dath’remar’s eastern expedition.

They never found their kin and never reached the Eastern Kingdoms. Instead, they crash-landed on Zephras Isle. The elemental forces of the island took them in, satiated their arcane hunger, and hid them in the safety of the skies for millennia. Basically, they are a lost branch of High Elves. Their backstory weaves perfectly into the Vanilla lore we’ve had since 2004.

Beyond the lore, the zone itself is fantastic. Zephras Isle is gorgeous, and the architecture is a perfect homage to classic high elven aesthetics. The view of their city is breathtaking, and the actual layout and navigation feel as traditionally “Classic” as it gets. The reality is that most of the people complaining haven’t even set foot on Zephras Isle; they are just parroting negative talking points for the sake of it.

I’ve been with this franchise since Beyond the Dark Portal in 1996 and played the WoW MMO since release week. I hold this game dear. But when the official Classic servers released a few years ago, they failed to recapture the magic for me. Why? Because I had moved on. The literal 2004 mechanics and graphics did not match the idealized, lived-in world I held in my memory.

In contrast, what I’ve seen in Forever actually brings back that original feeling of wonder, exploration, and novelty.

This toxic, knee-jerk repudiation of the Skyborne (or improvements in Forever) is exactly what happened when Blood Elves were announced, or when EverQuest players mocked vanilla WoW for being a “Fisher-Price MMO.” Pepperidge Farm remembers. I’m that old.

So let’s cut the crap. Play what you like, and let others enjoy the game. Forever is giving me the authentic Vanilla experience, and I’m loving it… Skyborne included.

I loved WoW two decades ago because it was an immersive world driven by exploration and horizontal progression, not because of some misaligned nostalgia fetish for outdated graphics. It’s like saying you love your grandmother just because she’s old. No, man, I love my granny because she was a wonderful person.

EDIT: Some of the comments seem to be replying to the title (and not the actual content of the post), so I repeated a more concise version of this in this comment below: The Skyborne Hate-Train is Exhausting (And Lore-Blind) - #164 by Willow-3188433

PPS: Search for Azshara artwork, and compare to the Skyborne in the cinematic; especially the skin tone and eye color. That was pretty neat!

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I’m on board with all of it. The island is awesome. My only complaint is I wish their racials were a little stronger to justify playing them without feeling like I’m gimping my character.

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Here is to hoping they adjust them between now and release! (I am also looking at you, /dance! :grin:)

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My hatred stems from the fact they only exist because of a popularity reason…Like I get it, but really? That and the fact theyre a neutral faction and blizzard is trying to gaslight us into thinking they aren’t because one side said “I agree with the alliance” and the other said “I agree with the Horde”. Like that’s what Pandaria’s entire end quest line is. Its a male panda agreeing with the Horde and the other agreeing with the alliance!

So forgive me if I’m peeved at the company for giving us a gimmick race despite its lore accuracy. It’s like the Haranir excuse. I don’t like it because it feels disingenuous.

In my honest opinion, it should’ve been Worgen and Goblin as the two races. You might argue the few neutral goblins like booty bay, but I’d argue you can have neutral NPC’s without making a neutral entire race. I also think since it’s an alternative timeline, they could’ve changed the Worgen curse back to the druid pact reason rather than the reason we have post-cata.

Would it not be elves? Yes. They plan to add high elves later anyway! I don’t see why we need skyborne at all if theyre going to bring in high elves.

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I get the hesitation around “popularity reasons,” but remember Blood Elves were added to the Horde for the exact same reason; population balance and market appeal. Giving players what they want isn’t a bad thing when it works, and Blood Elves are proof of that.

As for the lore, it only really feels shoehorned if you aren’t a massive lore nerd (like I am :nerd_face:). Skyborne have strong Vanilla roots: the Shen’dralar, the Eldre’thalas conflicts, and the Wind Elemental plane are all established early lore.

I’ve actually always theorized that another group of Highborne might have escaped Kalimdor besides the Thalassian, Naga, and Shen’dralar. Seeing the Skyborne introduced as a lost branch of sea faring high elves, born from the political struggles in Eldre’thalas was a huge payoff for me.

Lore aside, have you checked out their island yet? It’s stunning, and as I mentioned in the OP, it completely nails the classic aesthetic.

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They boo you, but you’re right.

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You are missing the point. It’s precisely because they came up with this story, adding it to the already existing groups of high elves, that we are mad.

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Well, don’t be mad! You’re getting worked up over things that do not affect you, and yet other people truly enjoy.

Listen… I feel I can make these claims because I’ve been with the franchise since Beyond the Dark portal… That’s 30 years ago; I am not just a new retail player making assumptions. I’ve earned the notches in my belt to yell at the clouds.

I can safely tell you that Warcraft’s story are less a quilt made out of a single fabric, and more a patchwork. Story gets revisited and expanded. Expanding on the Shen’dralar’s exodus is not a vertical addition to the lore, it’s a horizontal expansion to what already had been there since day 1.

You should’ve seen my face when Warcraft 3 came out with all the retcon, Kalimdor and Night Elves! But you know what? It worked out alright.

And the Skyborne, Zephras, and the lovely graphical and QoL updates will also do alright; that’s the “plus” part of the “Classic Plus” that brought this veteran back to it after all.

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I was just hoping to play Horde without half my faction being elves.

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hugs Those knife ears did it again didn’t they!? A repeat of that accursed elf invasion of Spring '07!

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I’m just mad I can’t play warlock/priest/paladin elf. Like, you guys really picked the most over represented classes in classic wow and stuck on the elf? ffs.

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Don’t wory, Josh Greenfield (dev) said they have plans to bring Thalassian High Elves when they work on expanding to Quel’thalas.

Surely. SURELY. There will be High Elf Paladins then. :slight_smile:

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Surely… (:

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I love the sky elves, and the lore makes enough sense to keep suspension of disbelief intact.

I’m really looking forward to more involvement of the elemental lords with wow: forever, they were really under-utilized in the retail storyline. I’m hoping the addition of sky elves and their relationship with al’akir and skywall leads to more of that.

On the class options though, I kinda agree that they don’t feel right. The lore they gave us makes sense for why the shamans are horde only and mages are alliance only, but it doesn’t seem like a fair trade-off, and there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to make an elemental-themed skyborn mage that would make sense within the horde (the same cannot be said of shamans in the alliance).

Given the faction class imbalance, I really do think they should make mages available to both sides of skyborn, and put paladins in for alliance skyborn. Alliance needs another paladin race, and I would love to have a horde skyborn mage. The issue, of course, is that paladin in no way works with skyborn lore - they were sequestered from azeroth for the entirety of human history, they have no correlation to the light or the order of the silver hand, and it wouldn’t really fit to have one running around as a paladin before even meeting the alliance after the starter zone.

Maybe they should have mage for both and warlock as the alliance-only option? Since the High order are going back to their roots, perhaps meddling with sinister magics fits? That still doesn’t solve the paladin limitations on alliance though.

I also think they should’ve differentiated horde and alliance skyborn more visually. It would’ve been great if they used the blood elf/high elf models and animations for alliance high order skyborn, and used the night elf/darnassian models and animations for horde - they’re bulkier, taller, and fit the general horde aesthetic much better. The customizations should’ve been varied between them as well: gems and jewelry and arcane effects for alliance, feathers and tribal tattoos and elemental effects for horde. I think those minor aesthetic differences would’ve shut up a lot of the haters focusing on “neutral race” ideology.

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This sounds like an AI generated response. Who told you I’m mad in the first place?

You are not okay with it because you’ve been in the franchise since beyond the dark portal. If you had 30 years of experience with the game, you wouldn’t have wanted yet a new elf variant with deep retail looks, you would have hoped for a race that actually was in WarCraft 2, like High Elves, who were not druids, who in war3 are famously priests and mages.

You don’t have to explain us how coherent is a world to expand. We don’t want it to expand, we want it to be completed. Expansions and additions is what lead us to retail, you know, the game that we all quit so we could ask for this one.

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Ah yes, the good ol’ “This person disagrees with me, therefore it must be AI generated”. I have nothing else to add to this accusation.

I believe you told me you “were mad in the first place”.

If you aren’t paying attention to what you, yourself write, I would try less to make claims about whether or not others use AI to write for them, hm?

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I refuse to accept invites from Skyborne and will not group with them. They are the dumbest addition that could possibly be added to this game.

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I’m mad at the race, not mad at the discussion. Why do you say “it doesn’t affect you”? It literally affects the whole playerbase what’s inside or not the game

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I don’t like them because of a variety of reasons and I honestly see your post as toxic positivity, but I’ll try and go further on what I don’t like about them:

  1. Same race for both factions, that’s lazy and not in the spirit of classic;
  2. Bad class-combos (yet another shaman the horde didn’t need);
  3. Aesthetically it feels more like retail;
  4. Completely new to the lore when other more established races were right there;

With that said, I think I wouldn’t mind if they made them a year into C+ after they established the blue elves as something that exists in Azeroth. But even then, I’d much rather they made them locked into one faction and not available to both.

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And I just say, “Don’t be mad”. I didn’t say, “Don’t be mad at the discussion”.

You’re fine, and you will be fine. Skyborne will not affect you. I promise you, you will enjoy the game just as well. Have a good one!

Signed with love,
ChatGPT.

LOL (I tease, I tease)

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