[GDKP] - Bring Them Back

Hello,

Now that we’ve finally got confirmation of OCE servers i can move onto the second most important subject being GDKP.

Aggrends comments on the Q&A in regards to GDKP

1.Main reason - It’s too popular and everyone wants to do it and we want to protect the traditional guild structure but also we don’t like to tell people how to play the game.

2.Second reason - Once it becomes too popular there is a barrier to entry if you don’t have a lot of resources as a newer player and if you are a “Carry” its great you get items and gold on the side for raid while newer players “Have” to buy gold to get past the barrier of entry.

3.GDKP is a way for bad actors to launder gold.

4.We need GDKP’s to afford consumables ?

5.Too lenient on gold buyers and we made it easy for them to get around our actions in the past. We are going to take this very serious and punish them very very hard with permanent bans (Implied from giving example of 22 yr old wow account its not worth losing that account permanently)

A player response to GDKP addressing the above

  • 1. The reason why gdkp’s become so popular is it creates a more engaging and fun enviroment for players and addresses some of the current flaws in the old system

a) It rewards players for there time regardless if they win loot or not they always end a raid with gaining something whether its there next big item or a decent amount of gold to put towards that character an alt or consumes or anything else that gold can be used for in the game.

b) It becomes significantly easier to run pug groups with likeminded players which means more raids forming and more social interactions where usually you would restricted mostly to your own guilds playerbase. GDKP’s allow many different players to come together and play together outside of that guild only environment.

c) Some guilds do not want to have to do the admin work to run multiple raid teams so if you have many alts who you want to keep in your main guild you become limited to finding raids for them but GDKP’s since they encourage pug groups more give those alts a home if the guild your in does not want to provide other raid teams.

d) A lot of the classic playerbase are now older they have less time to invest and do not have time to farm gold but most still enjoy raiding allowing players to be able to make gold via a few hour raid deters gold buying because you’ve given a legitimate way for players to make a decent amount of gold within the game.

It also means players who have more time to invest are able to get items after and as an offset it makes the people with less time richer giving them access into gdkp’s easier.

Lastly it does not stop players from still playing in the traditional guild structures in which most did on there main including myself so the arguement gdkp’s destroy the traditional guild structure is not true at all.

  • 2.The barrier to entry requirement is false and misleading way to try to sell the anti-gdkp propaganda and here is why.

a) Every player in the game collects gold its the currency of the game pretty much everything you do in the game revolves around making gold to some extent which means its not a barrier to entry and the longer gdkp’s run the cheaper items become.

b) The loot systems for traditional guilds are essentially the same they use loot councils and the loot goes to either the gm/officers or good players while the newer players usually are at the bottom of the list would you then say the barrier to entry into guild raiding is also difficult ? no so its a flawed arguement against gdkp’s as well.

c) If you did your job with policing bots actively and monitoring gold flow and actually punished players who rmt with permament bans which ive asked for many years ago then rmt does not exist the only gold used in gdkp’s is the gold players earned themselves.

Instead you let people launder money through guild banks and either not ban them or give them 2 week bans so players just use a burner account buy gold put it in a gbank and away they go the problem lies on your policities around rmt not on players wanting to do gdkp’s nobody is “Forced” to buy gold or rmt.

That’s like saying an expensive item on the AH forces players to have to rmt or because my epic mount is going to cost me 1000 gold then i have to rmt otherwise how could i possibly get it ? its a ridiculous arguement to make if you want your mount go farm it if you want to participate in gdkp raids go farm some currency.

Ultimately it rewards players who play the game more offten and play more characters/raid more often this is a GOOD thing for the game overall.

  • 3.There are many ways players launder gold

a) Second accounts aka burner accounts
b) Guild banks and mixing gold
c) Buying from friends privately or having gold farmers within the guild

The list goes on and on punishing players who enjoy gdkp because you were lazy on combatting bots/rmt and gave out extremely lenient 2 week bans to people is on you not us.

  • 4. We don’t need gdkp’s for consumeables but because you couldn’t fix the economy properly and had megaservers and bots everywhere and you ban them in waves after months and months then the economy gets inflated and a way to offset that was with gdkp’s

a) Stop banning bots after months when they’ve already made a profit and destroyed the economy and have 100 more accounts ready to go start policing them and banning them instantly.

b) Have actual staff who monitor rmt / gold flow and player reports for botting use the players to help you find the bots we know who bots we know where they are how they work and we report them all the time the issue is you never do anything or it takes so long for something to happen that its essentially pointless anyway.

If i report a bot it should be offline banned within 30-60 mins or at most 24 hours not months.

  • 5.Leniency on gold buyers and weak bans

a) players have been asking you to unban gdkp’s and permanently ban rmt players for years if anything gdkp’s work to your advantage you claim they attract rmt then simply use them as a HONEY POT if your claim is true then you have a centralized spot where players who rmt would go to spend that illegal gold ban them and remove the gold simple.

You will say it makes it too difficult because the gold gets split ? how is that any different to if a player buys 20k and then buys a bunch of items on the auction house and all those players who made sales receives a part of that 20k ?

You still ban the guy who bought the 20k gold and then you have the option of either removing the individual gold from each person or leaving it there if its too much work the point is you can’t use the excuse for gdkp but then ignore it for all other ways rmt gold is used.

The takeaway from this post

GDKP is not a negative thing it does not cause or make rmt worse that is a problem on your end and gdkp is good for the game its good for the social aspect of meeting new players and for promoting more active raids and alt raids its simply been used as a scapegoat for blizzards poor policing and policies against bots and rmt.

The solution is simple

Allow GDKP’s to return the experiment you pushed in sod and anniversary has failed it did not stop rmt infact it made it worse every singe player knows this to be true.

Now try a different approach unban GDKP’s and enforce a strict rmt/bot policy of permanent battle.net account closures for anyone caught buying gold/selling gold.

(The only caveat i have to these bans is you need to get them right and you need to fix your terrible support/appeal system so no AI is involved so if you do make mistakes its extremely easy for players to work through the system to get the ban overturned not a nightmare like it currently is for players needing to make 60 tickets and take months.)

Actively pay staff to monitor bots in realtime and deal with them within a 24 hour time window.

Thank you!

Elron :saluting_face:

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Hot take: Keep GDKP’s gone. It promoted gold buying/selling and caused a lot of “side-ninjaing” to happen (for example, the RL taking a cut off the top and hoping no one kept track of the gold total at the end). Better it stays gone, in my opinion.

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Nope and they should keep it out just because of your stupid AI wall of text

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Good news… ERA is still there for you. Enjoy

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Absolutely not.

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so as a retail player who never played classic GDKP sounds in theory like a reasonable system.

However I have my doubts because quite frankly the community is a toxic cesspool and I don’t see how anyone can trust someone else to honorably run a raid and give out stuff fairly

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Simply not true everything is recorded and there are even addons now that do all the maths/bidding if someone ever did steal gold there reputation would take a hit and nobody would group with them again no different to if you’d ninja in a dungeon group.

You will find most people with negative views on gdkp haven’t actually tried them and those who have end up supporting them because its not what it was made out to be.

How do you trust someone in a dungeon not to steal your loot ?
How do you trust a guild not to shaft you on items over there friends ?
How do you trust a pug group raid not to master loot items and ninja them ?
How do you trust a SR group that will honor that SR system and your reserves ?

You can never be certain but players reputations are important if you do these kinds of things it will get out into the community and eventually players won’t group with you if that happens.

It’s no different for gdkp’s if you go to a gdkp and they do something dodgy or steal an item or steal gold then there reputation is destroyed forever essentially unless they go to new server or name change all of which could happen in any kind of loot method.

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You can instantly tell who raids GDKP and who doesn’t and has no fing clue how a GDKP run works or functions, stay asleep sheep.

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You always whine about bringing back GDKP, and always whine about Blizz needing to listen to feedback about it.

Even after posting the link on your discord in an attempt to garner traction, you’re regularly outnumbered by other players in the forums (and reddit) who are against GDKP.

When are you going to listen to feedback and stop pretending to speak on behalf of the majority of players?

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I have done then and it encouraged gold buying because the prices on gear drops got absolutely stupid.

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Ewww another A.I post.

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If blizzard actually polices gold buying then it won’t be a big deal. No shot of course

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Elron has graced us with their pro-gdkp stance on the Forever forums now :stuck_out_tongue:

No, keep them gone. I’m glad RMTers will be hit with 6 month bans for first offense.

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not reading all that

No

it’s being banned because people are not responsible enough to behave themselves

It should stay gone forever

your opinion is bad and you should feel bad

Socially engineer the loot master like a normal person

Most players don’t like them

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why is it all the people for all the bad things like GDKP and boosting etc seem to need AI to write their posts for them? O_O

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tl;dr because this AI post is too long but GDKP breeds gold selling/rmt and there’s no wow token to combat it, + it’s a very unfair system.

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I really hope they don’t resort back to that to fight rmt.

my gametime is all free cuz of wow tokens, i hope they DO bring it back… it makes sense you can’t launch with it but we need it down the road if it’s really “wow forever” otherwise how do you play forever if you’re poor?

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Devs addressed that today and said it isnt happening. Case closed.

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swiper no swiping

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