RP-PVP is a must!

Edit:
Blizzard developer talking about RP-PVP for WoW: Forever in Twitch streamer’s chat:
“no plans, if you want that make some noise” (NB at the bottom)

While not an official statement, this is how RP-PVP has been added in the past, and likely how to get it this time!

We have to make it known that we wish for the same considerations as players of other rulesets: To be able to play the game we aim to enjoy for many years to come in the way and with the community we want.

Let’s share our stories in the thread and reach out through appropriate channels (I can’t post links unfortunately):

  • The questions thread for the upcoming Q&A 17th of September RIP, but we fight on

  • On Twitter: @Blizzard_Ent & @Warcraft

  • On Bluesky: @worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com & @support.blizzard.com

  • In the official WoW discord

  • In the WoW & ClassicWoW subreddits

(I don’t use much social media, so tell me if there are places I should add/remove)


Blizzard, please show that you want WoW: Forever to be for everyone by making space for this passionate community that has been part of your game for over 20 years.

If mods feel like there is something wrong with this thread, please inform me on how to fix it rather than deletion. The guidelines states that bumping is disallowed, and petition posts are frowned upon, but I hope you can appreciate the challenge when both Classic and SoD taught that RP-PVP has to be repeatedly requested despite decades of proven popularity. Thus the focus of the thread is to share stories and its importance through legitimate means, not to engage in improper behaviour :heart:


The Topic
Not everybody knows how the various WoW: Forever rulesets have been confirmed or what RP-PVP actually is, so feel free to ask people in the thread or read through other posts or this post’’ edits. Simply put, WoW: Forever has confirmed PVE, PVP, RP(-PVE), and Hardcore as available rulesets. These rulesets separate players in the open world, dungeons, raids, as well as auction houses, while presumably sharing f.ex. PVP Battleground queues.

RP-PVP has been a staple in WoW since 2005, and there is no way to reenact what such a ruleset represents by simply flagging for PVP. Exactly the same as why we have separate PVP and PVE rulesets. The players and communities they attract, the vibes and emergent gameplay of always-on PVP in most zones, and (importantly) the economies greatly differ. This is why something like warmode or flagging for PVP does not make RP into RP-PVP. Please make it its own ruleset.


Possible Alternative?
If sorting players across layers with something like a warmode in the RP rulesets is a planned solution, I hope Blizzard can instead consider an RP-Mode that layers based on wanting RP, and then reduce the rulesets to PVE and PVP (+ Hardcore). It would require more stringent behavior rules and mechanisms like f.ex. a very long cooldown to enable the RP-mode (like a week+) to discourage disruptions of RP (especially of RP-PVP’ers in a PVP ruleset), but if implemented well could both increase ruleset populations (by having fewer rulesets) and solve all aforementioned issues for players of all gameplay styles. My point here is not to advocate to take away the RP ruleset for those that are elated it exists at all, but to put forward that there other possible solutions that does not exclude and fracture RP-PVP players. Greatest of all, to simply give RP-PVP its own ruleset.


(NB)
From streamer Shobek’s VOD on the 15th of September, around 3:43:08 into the stream. Note that Shobek and his chat were talking about both a regular RP-PVP ruleset, as well as a unique 1-layer RP-PVP server (not the focus of this thread), but it’s safe to assume that if the quoted chat message applied to the latter, it certainly applies to the former.

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As a long time RP-PvP player - including both retail and classic - I couldn’t agree more. You cannot beat the RP-PvP community experience. It’s a major bummer that it’s not an option.

We had to fight for one (Grob) back in 2019 classic - so if we need to do it again we shall! We just need to be vocal about it!

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If Forever becomes wildly popular maybe Blizzard will add one, but I wouldn’t expect it for at least a year if even that soon.

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Funnily enough I heard the same back in 2019 classic and we were able to get it added before launch. So there’s hope if the people that play on those servers are vocal about it.

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Then I hope I am wrong. Like really, really wrong. :blush:

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I would love an RP-PVP option! I’m terrible at PVP but one of my core vanilla memories is playing on a PVP server and really feeling the faction divide. These days, I love the immersive atmosphere of RP servers. To unite the two would be my perfect Forever experience.

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RP-PVP is my favorite way to play was well.
One of the things I actually did enjoy about Midnight was Eversong world PvP on a roleplay realm. The threat in the open world added another level of immersion to RP

I am honestly split on how to play Forever since I have to make a choice between these two apparently

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Signed. All my best memories were on Rp-PvP in both NA and EU

Having good pvp and people that don’t go “You what?!?” when you try to do walk up RP is so good.

Also there will be less cheesy immersion breaking names like Ipwnyou Wtflol

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I started on Thorium Brotherhood when it was first launched. It was a rp-pve server, but we had a ton of world pvp going on. There were a couple hundred players who did battlegrounds non stop while leveling and then we took it to the realm forums to roleplay post and that built up a fun community.

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RP-PVP needs to be an option. Signed and delivered, please don’t forget about us again

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RP-PVP enjoyers need to keep posting and advocating in this thread. BACK TO THE TOP!

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YES! This is how it was added for Classic, and this time blizzard is explicitly saying they want feedback + doing a beta.

IF YOU WANT RP-PVP, MAKE IT KNOWN TO BLIZZARD

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apparently there is already an RP option, but is this RP server PVE? it would be ridiculous if they added RP-PVE but neglected to have an RP-PVP option :expressionless_face:

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RP-PVP enjoyers need to keep posting and advocating in this thread. BACK TO THE TOP!

You can quote me on that :wink:

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I don’t think there are really ways to mix and match the playstyles offered.
I think the idea generally is that they are splitting these up into types of players

Normal is for casuals and PvE sweats
PvP is basically mainly for PvP sweats (force flagged world PvP)
RP is for RPers (enforcing name standards mostly)
and eventually Hardcore which is self explanatory

Along with the gameplay changes, these playstyles tend to come with slight cultural differences in how players engage with the game as well, but that is a lot harder to define.
The solution for now would probably be to PvP flag yourself in an RP realm, but it’s unironically a bit immersion breaking when it works that way, but it is at least still an option that you can opt into at least and maybe get a PvP focused RP guild together

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i get that but if you choose RP is the game gonna be PVE or PVP? :expressionless_face:

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Almost certainly PVE (that has always been the case before, hence RP-PVP being a term).

While I would prefer RP-PVP as it’s own thing, the server showcase earlier makes some lesser alternatives possibles. With how they mentioned you select a language in the menu and get put in the same layers as people that share your language (and also the same players repeadedly over time?), the RP server could come with a warmode-esque toggle that puts RP players with warmode (pvp) enabled in the same layers.

The huge downside to this is how economy would be dictated by the pve players on the server that don’t have to contest for stuff in the overworld.

Which is why we need RP-PVP :melting_face:


After thinking more about it and reading about people’s experience with warmode in retail, I no longer think what I wrote in the above struck text. There’s some info about the topic in the updated OP, as well as a possible RP-mode alternative.

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This happened in SoD at the start, as well. We have to fight for a RP-PvP server and yet Grobbulus was one of the most successful and balanced servers throughout it’s history until Cataclysm began. The reason many RPer’s left Grobb at that time was because the “classic” experience ended with the changing of the physical world. Many of us declared early on that at Cata we would leave. But prior to that Grobbulus had an amazing RP-PvP community, hosted amazing collaborative events across faction, and is on the reasons why so many people wanted to go to the RP-PvP server when SoD started; they wanted to experience what this style of play brought to the world we live in.

Please reconsider and add one layer for RP-PvP for those people that never wanted to leave Classic 2 years ago and have been searching for a Home ever since

~Okwaho of Grobbulus/WrA / Lohkawas of Emerald Dream

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RP realms are always just PvE. (so people rping dont just get ganked/camped/trolled)

Hence why they used to have RP-PvP back in the day.

So you get the cool RP community, but also the sense of danger when you are out and about. And people on the opposite faction will roleplay rather than attack on site… Like when a Night Elf druid meets a Tauren druid and they just hang out, because in the lore they are “on the same side.”

There’s just a great vibe on the RP-PvP realms, rather than gankfest for rank.

There are guilds that arrange RP fights as well. (in discored/forums)

Picture two opposing faction guilds that have an old beef, using “RP walk” to slowly approach each other in the middle of a valley. Rather than a free-for-all… It starts with just two players accepting the challenge. (Yeah then it descends into a massive free for all lol)

Just hits different. Don’t get that on PvP realms.

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You can technically still do this in any RP-PvE realm if everyone toggles on the PvP flag (which I am assuming is unchanged), but the random PvP encounters wouldn’t be a thing for RP players, which is definitely unfortunate.

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