Then don’t apply for something like the community council. It’s more than colored text and a special title.
By power I mean you could change peoples perception of the council for the better, maybe open dialogues, engage us when blizzard won’t. I know damn well your feedback will be ignored but we could actually point and say “see! we tried!” Right now Blizzard is just getting more ammo to say the same thing, “see we tried to give them an opportunity to present feedback in a conductive manner and they just fought amongst themselves.”
Not a single one of the CC members has impressed me. Your move.
I have been doing that for years. Across multiple Blizzard games.
Someone accused me of acting like a CM. Well, that is because MVPs often do the forum role for that to engage with players, relay critical bugs/exploits, answer game questions, etc. We can, and do, talk to the CMs.
You don’t know me and I don’t expect you to be impressed. I also think based on your comments, you would only be impressed by someone who grandstanded as “give me your feedback” and shoveled it to the CC forum without personal input or agreement.
There is tons of good feedback already on the normal forums. People can make threads that are based on CC topics and CC folks can engage if they wish.
Impressing you given your requirements to give up my individuality, general ability to chat with players, etc… is way more restrictive than even the worst the accuse Blizzard of.
I am not interested in impressing someone who wants that. I will continue being the same person I have been all this time which means chit chatting, offering pie or tea, debating ideas, etc.
It’s just a glorified survey group, they’re not some spokespeople for the players. They’re a group of people that are going to get their brains picked by blizz to go along with all the other data they gather from the forums, reddit, etc. Seems kind of pointless to expect regular people to perform the work of professional pollsters.
I think everyone is aware that the CC is mostly a PR stunt to try and gain some goodwill back and that blizzard isn’t going to take any suggestions seriously Still doesn’t excuse one of them being an idiot and Blizzard was right to remove him.
Just saying you don’t speak for everyone here.
I’m not upset with CC and I think you’re being unnecessarily antagonistic with the greens here.
I see you think you’re being helpful but I don’t think you are.
Anyone seriously upset about this should take a deep breath and actually look into what happened instead of getting angry in GD. Prosident did something he wasn’t supposed to do. He got removed because of it. There is no conspiracy and he wasn’t removed because he was critical of Blizzard. Because I really doubt Blizzard cared he was critical. They care because he went and made a discord channel and said it was a direct line to the CC and Blizzard.
The discord was unmoderated and full of the absolute worse the internet had to offer. Making it look even worse. So, again, he was removed.
I would think as a community council member, any disdain you feel for the literal community should be constructive and intelligent, not jealous quips over that community’s largest streamers.
But I guess tact isn’t a requirement when licking boots.
I would think as a community council member, any disdain you feel for the literal community should be constructive and intelligent, not jealous quips over that community’s largest streamers.
But I guess tact isn’t a requirement when licking boots.
Bit weird to state I’m licking boots when you didn’t inform yourself on the subject and just are blindly supporting a video by the most popular WoW streamer, but I’ll bite.
I don’t feel disdain for anyone, I simply pointed out the issue with the youtube video and the click-bait nature over creating drama that isn’t there. I have no issues with anyone or community, the whole reason I applied to provide targeted feedback was because I do care about WoW and the entire community, but just like any member here can, I’ll give my opinion on matters especially when I see false statements being presented.
Blizzard has ample tools at their disposal to acquire and sift through what would be classified as big data and absolutely doesn’t need a biased group of tryhard and boot licking council types to “filter and be the people’s voice”.
Blizzard can put up polls and forms with direct questions with numeric scorecard answers and easily throw reporting software at them to get plenty of feedback on any number of topics. You can even have free form text box answers and pick out key words/phrases. What’s more, Blizzard could easily too tap into the player’s game data and add ranking and categorization and get an even deeper look into the data. For example, Blizzard could group and rank responses by whose got certain achievements or boss kills or whatever objective criteria they want to come up with.
And if Blizzard doesn’t have that capability, they can toss me a mid 6 figure salary and I’d be happy to work with their IT group to start building and pulling that kind of data and building those reports/dashboards and introduce them to the world of big data…but I’m 100% confident they already do.
The council is just a public version of what Blizzard had or even still has…secret forums where the chosen “elite” get to have a special voice.
Big data can’t account for the type of user who has dozens of dislikes about the game and leaves a blurb on exit like “the game sucks now.” or “my class is bad.”
That’s not useful feedback at all. I guarantee you that this is the majority because most people cannot be bothered to put their emotions fully into words. It’s not for everyone.
No one lied. The title was clickbait. It was only 1 person banned but at the moment he got banned, he had 20% of the posts on the community council forum. That’s where the 20% came from
It still doesn’t change the fact that Blizzard has tools and means to acquire and get actionable information on thousands to millions of players using infrastructure they already have in place. They certainly are not relying on some council to help them piece through forum chatter.
Even assuming Blizzard is super dumb (they aren’t), it doesn’t take a genius to casually browse these forums and Reddit and get an overall atmospheric feel for the state of the game and the vocal community and what the hot button topics are. It’s a terrible way to go about things but it’s certainly a thing.
The fact that Blizzard always seemingly goes against “community wishes” purely just means they have their own agenda. They’re not tone deaf by any means…they just believe they can get away with the things they do because they’ve sunk their claws into enough folks deep enough that they may whine and gripe and rattle their sabers, but they won’t actually unsub or hit Blizzard in the pocketbook in significant enough numbers.