150k honor for pvp upgrades in slands

Ofc it is. They easily could have left templates in.

They’ve virtually never left anything in. Every system since mop has been different (tbc-cata felt pretty similar). Changing something to some other completely garbage system without listening to what is still pure pride.

If that happened we wouldn’t have gotten wod gearing, because the forums hated it during beta wod.

Kept saying without pvp power it wouldn’t work

Absolutely. I’m not saying they shouldn’t innovate. I was even mildly excited for templates for legion. Just saying that when something doesn’t work and people ask for stuff back, don’t give them something completely different all while pretending it’s what we asked for (aka bfa or sl).

Also innovation isn’t accepting that you did something wrong. Still tons of pride in innovation.

You know what’s not prideful? Admitting you were wrong and wishing for templates back lol… Like I didn’t like templates because wod>templates but man in hindsight I’d go back in a heart beat.

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Would have been 100% perfect had warmode been made in legion with templates

They are experimenting. Nothing wrong with that. Again, they don’t have to come right out and apologize for anything. But, the fact we are having drastic changes, and yes Legion to now are drastic, says a lot.

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And yet innovation for the sake of innovation doesn’t work either.

Did they honestly think that BfA was an improvement on anything ever done in this game for PVP players? This has been the worst 2 years for PVP gear in the history of WoW. Right on the tail of the second worst.

Innovate where it makes sense to: like the unloved specs/classes. There is no need to innovate when something was arguably getting better and better over many iterations (PVP gear from Vanilla to WoD)

I would have no problem with pve and pvp gear being treated equally if the pve and pvp content were also treated equally.

Right now, pve players who want to relax and avoid the toughest opponents have many options. LFR, Normal raids, Normal and Heroic and Mythic 0 dungeons, etc. Where do pvp players go to avoid getting smashed by superior gear?

So yes, go ahead and keep the “gear is gear” approach. Just make sure that in every dungeon and raid, Mythic level mobs and bosses pop up to smash your face in. Pve players shouldn’t be able to avoid the need to get the best gear to enjoy their own content if pvp players can’t.

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They thought their hidden scaling was going to work, it didn’t.