Meanwhile OP goes on to invest in games like RUST, H1Z1, DayZ, and every other early access steam game available that will probably never release.
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If it was the same game then it wouldn't be needed at all and bfa would suffice.
Separate games, separate subs.
#payforwhatyouwantnotwhatyoudont
forced bundles to become the new gaming norm if we keep this up.
you dont get to say what they do with your sub money once they have it, dont have to play the version you dont want to, there will be plenty who have no problems being able to play both, or paying 15 and only play one or the other, face it, there was never a sub option that was going to make everyone happy.
And you don't get to dictate what I do with my money period. For all I care I stop spending money on blizzard games entirely because I dont like the decision. That's money lost to them. There are much better gaming options for 180 spent in a year. Why do you think my account has been inactive so long? Not interested in retail in the slightest and voted with my wallet.
I did however pay for other mmos that had reasonable prices within that time gone though.
There was definitely an option to make both parties happy. One sub for each, and a bundled discount for both.
11/02/2018 04:45 PMPosted by Zenerte11/02/2018 03:29 PMPosted by JoynalI wouldn't have any problem paying $15 a month for Classic.
I refuse to pay $15 a month for the current retail game and since I have to pay for the current retail game in order to play Classic, I won't be playing Classic.
Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
You are paying $15 for classic. With the option to play retail should you want to, no hassle. It's perfect.
In your fictional wishful scenario, the $15 a month you'd be spending STILL goes to Blizzard. The same Blizzard who admitted their mistake and is still releasing classic for all of us.
If you really don't want to support Blizzard, please never play classic and stay on your free vanilla private servers forever with your kind.
There won't be any of those. Once blizzard releases classic they will go after all the private servers and have a much stronger legal argument as well.
I personally hope they suit the lot of the thieving mungrels.
11/03/2018 03:35 AMPosted by GattzAnd you don't get to dictate what I do with my money period
Ok? never claimed I could, you however think just becuse you give them money for one thing that they cannot use it somewhere else.
11/03/2018 03:35 AMPosted by Gattz. For all I care I stop spending money on blizzard games entirely because I dont like the decision. That's money lost to them. There are much better gaming options for 180 spent in a year.
Ok then don't? If you don't feel that cost is worth it then don't, there are plenty who have stated over the years that they would pay anything, also been a few here that have said 15$ is fine with them.
11/03/2018 03:35 AMPosted by GattzWhy do you think my account has been inactive so long? Not interested in retail in the slightest and voted with my wallet.
Certainly your option.
11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanLive player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.
Classic player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.
11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanClassic players have to pay the same fee and get a game they dont want.
Live players have to pay the same fee and get a game they don't want.
It's all a matter of perspective.
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11/03/2018 03:41 AMPosted by Thundathys11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanLive player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.
Classic player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanClassic players have to pay the same fee and get a game they dont want.
Live players have to pay the same fee and get a game they don't want.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Live players were already paying that fee. Pretty pointless stance on the matter. In essence it's a free game added into their BFA.
It's similar to a person wanting hbo but having to pay for an entire cable package, when hbo go is now an option. Vanilla being the hbo part of the deal. A sizable group of players don't want the entire cable package. It just isn't for them.
11/03/2018 03:41 AMPosted by Thundathys11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanLive player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.
Classic player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanClassic players have to pay the same fee and get a game they dont want.
Live players have to pay the same fee and get a game they don't want.
It's all a matter of perspective.
There's a simple solution to this problem. Delete combo sub.
11/03/2018 03:35 AMPosted by GattzThere was definitely an option to make both parties happy. One sub for each, and a bundled discount for both.
But isn't the overall goal to be able to play on legit servers, is paying 7 more $ dollars for not worth it for that? and what about the people that may want to try one or the other over the years and this way makes that much easier for them?
I would have paid a separate sub too, nothing is/was going to stop me from playing(well unless they mess it up gamewise)
11/03/2018 03:43 AMPosted by Gattz11/03/2018 03:41 AMPosted by Thundathys...
Classic player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.
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Live players have to pay the same fee and get a game they don't want.
It's all a matter of perspective.
Live players were already paying that fee. Pretty pointless stance on the matter. In essence it's a free game added into their BFA.
It's similar to a person wanting hbo but having to pay for an entire cable package, when hbo go is now an option.
O k so then that Live player stops paying that fee, then starts up again,would that be ok?
Is HBO now cheaper though?
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Live players were already paying that fee. Pretty pointless stance on the matter. In essence it's a free game added into their BFA.
It's similar to a person wanting hbo but having to pay for an entire cable package, when hbo go is now an option.
O k so then that Live player stops paying that fee, then starts up again,would that be ok?
Is HBO now cheaper though?
Why would live players stop paying that fee? They are getting regular injections of new content being the latest expansion of wow. What's with these strawman arguments? It's like retail players have some sort of jealous rage at the idea of a separate tier because they defend it with the most asinine debates.
You think you want Classic, but you really don't.
11/03/2018 03:50 AMPosted by GattzWhy would live players stop paying that fee?
You said that live players were already paying that fee, i gave an example where that live player stopped paying the fee,then started up again and asked if that made it ok then, and I dont know maybe someone called him fat so he quit for a week.
SO for it to be ok in your eyes you can't touch the opposite version? I am trying to follow your train here.
11/03/2018 03:50 AMPosted by GattzWhat's with these strawman arguments? It's like retail players have some sort of jealous rage at the idea of a separate tier because they defend it with the most asinine debates.
Lol no strawman, I was simply responding to something you said, and if you paid attention, you'd see that I have stated more than once I would have been happy with a separate sub too, so no, nothing to be jealous of, i just don't fear the current players nor blame them for doing something that the smallest group of player sources wont be able to pull off over the much larger group of former players.
Thread should be named:
"I am White Knight Leo!"
Game is worth what they charge. Begone if it is not.
"I am White Knight Leo!"
Game is worth what they charge. Begone if it is not.
11/03/2018 04:06 AMPosted by AliciaThread should be named:
"I am White Knight Leo!"
Game is worth what they charge. Begone if it is not.
Players already took this advice. Why do you think retail is below 2m subs? Down to this from the heights of 12million subscribers shows people actively voted with their wallets. I look forward to them continuing to do so. Instead of giving options blizzard decided to force feed content we don't want in a bundle. Only the future will tell how that works out for them. Who knows maybe it is the smart play to prevent the bleed of current retail subs and quench their thirst between content droughts.
Ah private server no changers on suicide watch. Having to pay for a game too spooky.
11/02/2018 03:27 PMPosted by YazfizbashIs this real?
I'm not paying $180 a year for ANY game,let alone a almost 15 year old game that doesn't get content updates.
This is a bad move by blizzard,and it will definitely effect the amount of people playing classic.
They should have cut the sub price in half at the least.
If I was planning on playing for 5 years,that is $900.
let that sink into your head for a second...$900 to play a 14+ year old game for 5 years.
You could buy 60 games at $15 each for that amount of money,there is no way classic is worth that much.
You have to be some kind of wow addict if you think this is a fair price.
Suck it up Jr. If Blizzard delivers the good I'd happily pay for 6 month blocks of time in subscription fees. The key however is Blizzard delivering the goods as it was back in the day without sharding right out of the gate on release. Hell, I'd even buy a new collectors edition to help pay for the client updates where the key again is out of the gate no sharding, no phasing, no cross realm zones which created the garbage dump that is live right now of realm hopping jerks causing problems and no interactions.
yawn lv.1 troll isn't even a troll sad
I think it's an extremely short sighted decision. I have to imagine the thinking revolves around getting people to cross back over into retail and reporting WoW as more lively, but even as someone who quit as recently as MoP when I tried Legion for a month it was not what I wanted at all. Someone who signs up for Classic exclusively is not going to wander into BFA and just fall in love with a game that basically has only some names and icons for similarities.
I can't imagine any of the friends I played with or people who just missed vanilla that I try to get to start playing will stick around more than a few months. The "coffee a day" argument disintegrates pretty quickly considering they could spend $30-$80 on games like Civilization, Call of Duty, Divinity, or Guild Wars 2 one time and scratch the itch of whatever genre they wanted to play. Not to mention they have a direct, apples to apples comparison that retail is live and getting active, constant development while Classic is left intentionally imbalanced and stagnant to pander to people that love ret paladin memes. I don't care about how I spent $500,000 on a Ferrari once, I'm trying to buy a 20 year old Honda with a dead skunk in the back seat and the guy wants $50,000. I don't care if I just won the lottery, Dead Skunk Honda is not worth that.
Long term, I think this chokes the life out of Classic. You'll probably get a fairly busy first 6-12 months, then it'll be streamers, the few purists who can perpetually set aside the time for vanilla grinding, and retail tourists. Everyone else will get their nostalgia fix, see how much it will cost them to keep playing and probably quit when they either clear their first raid or hit their first real grind.
I can't imagine any of the friends I played with or people who just missed vanilla that I try to get to start playing will stick around more than a few months. The "coffee a day" argument disintegrates pretty quickly considering they could spend $30-$80 on games like Civilization, Call of Duty, Divinity, or Guild Wars 2 one time and scratch the itch of whatever genre they wanted to play. Not to mention they have a direct, apples to apples comparison that retail is live and getting active, constant development while Classic is left intentionally imbalanced and stagnant to pander to people that love ret paladin memes. I don't care about how I spent $500,000 on a Ferrari once, I'm trying to buy a 20 year old Honda with a dead skunk in the back seat and the guy wants $50,000. I don't care if I just won the lottery, Dead Skunk Honda is not worth that.
Long term, I think this chokes the life out of Classic. You'll probably get a fairly busy first 6-12 months, then it'll be streamers, the few purists who can perpetually set aside the time for vanilla grinding, and retail tourists. Everyone else will get their nostalgia fix, see how much it will cost them to keep playing and probably quit when they either clear their first raid or hit their first real grind.
11/02/2018 03:30 PMPosted by ThathotgirlIf you have trouble affording it, then farm WoW tokens on retail. This isn't something they'll budge on.
depends on backlash, aze!@#$e armor wasn't something they were going to budge on but they did wtih enough pushing.
11/02/2018 06:44 PMPosted by JohnnyderpI don't disagree with where you're going with this, but are you going to guarantee that they won't lose money because people switched from current WoW to classic?
What if they had to let people go because of this? Seems that this is the only way to guarantee that doesn't happen.Once per year, That's a free console system though. In ten years, that's an ounce of gold. Cost is relative, regardless of level of wealth. Some of the more wealthy from the village can be some of the biggest penny-pinchers.11/02/2018 06:40 PMPosted by SilmariGet a job lmao, even on federal minimum wage it's only 2 hours a month of work. Abloobloobloo it's not free
Bottom line is you can't say that it's an inconsequential value because the value of money is subjective, regardless of class.
A valid point could possibly be: "why must I pay the same price as current WoW when it's expected to have no updates?"
Is that not valid?
No it's not valid. This is what people wanted and fought 10 years for. People even said they would pay 30 dollars a month for it. They wanted classic, they have been fighting tooth and nail to get classic as classic as possible, and that staticness was always going to be a thing.